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    I ant Tom cruze but I think Angels fly in space ships.

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    Well I aint ET but so do we.
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    Wow Ancient aliens on the tobacco site.
    Gods? Aliens? I find each to be as possible as the other.. But glad they got the tobacco sorted.

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    Wow Ancient aliens on the tobacco site.
    Gods? Aliens? I find each to be as possible as the other.. But glad they got the tobacco sorted.
    A real laid back realist our Seanz is

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    Another few historical tidbits before Columbus.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glanville J. Improper Archeology: Fabulous Saltville, and the Ancient History of Southwest Virginia. Smithfield Review, Volume IX, 2005.



    We can plausibly argue that the first ascertainable fact of North American history was a mastodon feast in the Saltville [Smyth County, Virginia] valley about 14,500 B.C.
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    AD. 600 to 800. Well-made tobacco pipes made their first appearance; early specimens resemble large, straight cigars. Tobacco arrived in Southwest Virginia, perhaps around AD. 200 to 400.
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    Late Woodland period cultural characteristics were established in Southwest Virginia by around 1150 (± 100 years) AD....Tobacco pipes took more elaborate forms. Southwest Virginia during this period enjoyed ample contacts with peoples and cultures of neighboring regions.
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    Of note, De Soto's Spanish exploration in 1540 traveled as far north as Tennessee. A splinter expedition of his Spaniards attacked Saltville in 1567. That was just enough to expose the residents to European diseases. By the time that English settlers explored the area, much later, there were no signs of any native settlements in that region of southwest Virginia. By rights, southwest Virginia was part of Spanish Florida.

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    Nice bump Bob!
    tobacco, roll with it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by deluxestogie View Post
    Another few historical tidbits before Columbus.


    Of note, De Soto's Spanish exploration in 1540 traveled as far north as Tennessee. A splinter expedition of his Spaniards attacked Saltville in 1567. That was just enough to expose the residents to European diseases. By the time that English settlers explored the area, much later, there were no signs of any native settlements in that region of southwest Virginia. By rights, southwest Virginia was part of Spanish Florida.

    Bob
    Actually, they stumbled north as far as Illinois; almost to the Great Lake near Chicago. Read the wonderful account by "a gentleman from Elvas" (we don't know his name) who went with. Or you can listen to his story translated into plain English in free downloadable mp3 available at laterdude.com

    Four years, all told. Wandered down the Father of Waters from there. Crossed it. Arkansas. As far west as Texas. Said "this place sucks", came back to the Mississippi, built some boats, and crossed the Gulf to Spanish Mexico. Everyone there thought they had died.

    Great story, DeSoto. Ought to name a car after the man.
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    Yes. Those were interesting explorations. It appears from their known path that they steadily climbed the piedmont of the Atlantic coast, climbed across the Appalachians, then descended into the drainage of the Tennessee River. Had the sub-group that went as far as Saltville (VA) ventured another 50 miles farther east, they would have stumbled into the New River, which flows north through West Virginia, and into the Ohio River. Had they gone even farther east, they would have reached coastal Virginia way ahead of the English. Then I would now be living in Ferdinandia.

    But the Spanish were not looking for territory. They wanted treasure. The conquest of the Aztecs in Mexico and the Inca in Peru bankrolled the Spanish wars in Europe, and purchased the Spanish Armada that failed to conquer England. The substantial power of Spain was entirely based on the pillaging of the New World. But that's a different subject.

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    I do know that Native Americans smoked tobacco when the first settlers came to Canada.

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    I found this a interesting read from Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cigar

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