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    Blossom Bags input requested

    I am looking at producing Blossom Bags in bulk in order to offer them at reasonable prices per piece to the members of this group.

    I am seeking input as to the final design of this bag.

    So far the idea is a bag made from agribond, in a size between grocery shopping bag to queen size pillow case size. with either a piece of cord included or actually sewn into the bag. It has already been suggested that a string simply be sewn to the bag with a couple of stitches. preventing it from being lost. sewing an entire hem into the bag to create a gathering string is overkill. I tend to agree.

    One other comment I have gotten that I feel is worth mentioning. when considering the size of the bag. keep in mind it is not necessary to cover the entire top of a plant. enclosing just a single branch of a cluster will protect many thousands of seeds. A huge bag is not always necessary and possibly not even desirable.

    Any comments or suggestions are welcome. Keep in mind this bag is meant to meet the wants and need of all of you. I only know what to consider if you make it known.

    The basic questions I would like to see information on.
    1. What material to make them from
    2. the size (there will only be one)
    3. draw string preferences.

    I would also like to get some idea of the demand. I cannot give a price at this time but will asap. but for now lets say cheap. cheap enough to make it worth buying rather than making anyway. I want an idea how many to have ready so that it is not an instant, oops wait a month for your order type thing.

    I have years of experience in other groups at doing things just like this. The process is somewhat lengthy but I have always found it to be helpful to start by getting ideas from the members themselves. I also realize that those ideas can and probably will get far roaming. please be considerate of the ideas of others. They are all helpful. many may very well be used as the product develops.

    Thank you all in advance.

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    Blossom Bags input requested

    Daniel, To answer your questions. I don't plan to buy any but I use Organza bags. The bag size I like is 16 x 18 inches. This is a big bag and it has a sewn in draw string. I tried a smaller, 6x12 bag this year. That is way too small. I had to cut off a lot of extra seed pods so the bag would fit
    So:
    1. Material: Organza or Arigabon (much cheaper)
    2. Size: about 16x18 ( or a tad bit smaller)
    3. Draw string: yes.. makes it very convenient to just slip over and cinch down.

    Randy B.

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    Randy, Thanks. I started with organza until I saw Agribond suggested a few weeks ago. My problem at this time with organza is finding it in bulk at a price that can compete with Agribond. If anyone has a source for Organza that will get close to the price needed (about 10 cents for a bag the size Randy mentions here. Please let me know). Also if it turned out most people prefer Organza I will change the material as well.

    I did do some preliminary materials type work yesterday. Without knowing the time it will take to actually make a bag. I am hoping to get them made for about 50 cents a bag or less. That figure is subject to change if I discover anything I totally did not expect. There is not a lot to not know here though. cloth, string, sew. Not a lot to monkey up the works.

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    Daniel,
    Agribon comes in multiple thicknesses. I would strongly recommend the Agribon-AG15, which is the lightest. Compared to organza, the Agribon bag also protects against wind-borne pollination, which might be a small factor in closely planted varieties. I made and used 32 Agribon-AG15 bags this season. I found that a 24" x 30" bag is about right. (A few varieties, such as FL Sumatra, wanted the bag to be even longer, because of their continued, vigorous height growth.) The need for width varies from those varieties with "closed" vs "open" bud heads, which can be reviewed in the GRIN "observations." A 24" width worked for my most open-headed varieties. Because the bag is not full of holes, the entire seed head, still inside the bag, can be cut and hung to dry, without the risk of losing the small percentage of seed that spontaneously falls from the dried pods.

    With regard to a tie-string, I exclusively used a separate, 12" nylon string. This allowed me to roll the length of the bag to a shorter length when initially placing it on a young bud head, then gradually unroll and retie it as the head grew. This would not be possible with an attached string. The advantage of gradually adjusting the size is that there is less of a wind sail stress on the top of the plant while it is younger and less able to endure it, but provides the added length if needed for more vigorous, older bud heads.

    One addition that I have found invaluable was to sew a 1" x 6" strip of white Tyvek into the side seam, near the top. This has allowed me to label each bag with the variety, using a black Sharpie. This stays with the bag after the head is cut from the stalk, clearly indicating the variety. Because the interior of the bag is forever contaminated with pollen of that specific variety, the label will allow it to be reused on the same variety in the future, rather than discarded.

    Agribon-AG15 is light enough and permeable enough that it does not cause the bud head to heat in the sun, as happens with denser materials (e.g. muslin and paper). While tiny bugs may be able to enter an organza bag, and moths may be able to lay budworm eggs right through the organza, this is not possible with Agribon-AG15.

    Since I find it easy enough to sew my own bags, I likely would not purchase any, unless my sewing machine unexpectedly died.

    Bob

    EDIT: This is a photo of some of my seed heads hanging to dry on my enclosed back porch. Notice the vast difference in the sizes of one variety's seed head from another. Also note the Tyvek label strip.
    Last edited by deluxestogie; 09-10-2011 at 06:08 PM. Reason: Added pic

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    Nice touch with the tag idea. i have already looked at the agribond 15 and it is going to be hard to beat as far as price. Good point for not attaching a string as well. You have enough seed there to start your own plantation now. I hope to place my first order for agribond in the next couple of days. Will give that a shot and let the bag develop further over time. Maybe add a selection of sizes in the future. For now I am thinking it is safer to go larger rather than smaller. It's a bit hard to make more space in a small bag but a larger bag can be rolled up etc to make it smaller.
    I really like that tag idea, thanks

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    Blossom Bags input requested

    I would be interested in buying 15-20 of these, when and if they are available. Next year will be my first season growing so I cant really give any input into the design of the bag.

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    mkd, I just received the Agribond on monday. We are working out how to handle the sheet to get it cut and we will have bags shortly after that. Hopefully I will have some completed this weekend. I will PM you when we have them. I expect them to be less than $1.00 ea. maybe even lower than that.

    The bags are going to be about 20 inches wide and 30 inches long. We also plan to sew a tag in the seam as Bob described btu have not found the material for that. Not a big deal just need to run to a craft store to pick something out.

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    Blossom Bags input requested

    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel View Post
    We also plan to sew a tag in the seam...have not found the material for that.
    Daniel,
    If you go to an office supply store, you can buy a box of 9" x 12" white Tyvek envelopes. Discarding the printed margins, I believe I was able to get at least 2 dozen clear white 1" x 6" tags from each envelope.

    Bob

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    Daniel;
    Get the Tyvek envelopes free at the Post Office.
    Dan

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    Blossom Bags input requested

    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel View Post
    We also plan to sew a tag in the seam as Bob described btu have not found the material for that. Not a big deal just need to run to a craft store to pick something out.
    I get Tyvek tags at a shipping supply store, and i use a marker (dry erase or permanent both work), it takes over a year for that to fade. But if you can get them free...

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