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I just smoked a cigarette puro with some unaged Lonnie's Havana I grew this year. Tasted really good with no aging. Surprisingly smooth. Can't wait to see how it comes out after kilning. I think someone mentioned that this variety is Havana 142. Is that true?
 

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A couple months did wonders for mine last year. Really good tobacco flavor, but not so much a traditional "cigar flavor" which I was expecting, being a Havana. Got some nice wrapper leaf, and a good cigarette blender.
 

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I just smoked a cigarette puro with some unaged Lonnie's Havana I grew this year. Tasted really good with no aging. Surprisingly smooth. Can't wait to see how it comes out after kilning. I think someone mentioned that this variety is Havana 142. Is that true?

Don, the original plants I got came from Lonnie and were labeled just simply as Havana. I have grown them every year since and do not think they are Havana 142, because I grew this also and have tried smoking both side by side. Characteristically they do look similiar, but I have never grown them as comparison plants. Whether it originated as Havana 142 or readjusted to my environment over several years, I do not know. I do know that it is a good smoking, growing and producing plant which just gets better with age, as I do not use a kiln. Therefore I would not refer to it as Havana 142 as to avoid confusion. If it turns out to be Havana 142, through better comparison tests, well thats great as well.
 

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Thanks, I'll keep calling it Lonnie's Havana then. For smoking it doesn't matter but for seed production we need to be sure.
 

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Lonnie's Havana is different than the 142 , but I believe it is similar . The problem with Lonnie's Havana is the stalks would fall or crook when the plants got half grown or bigger .
Lonnie asked me a few years back why the plants did this and I thought it was from wind or some growing failure but when I grew it some plants did like Lonnie said the crooked for no reason.

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The observation that Lonnie's Havana consistently tends to crook supports my assumption that while he was growing it, he allowed it to open-pollinate. Some of the (non-Havana) varieties that I have grown (e.g. Bahia, Hacienda del Cura) tend to do the same thing. I believe it is an inherited trait (a diminished turgor or lignification in the stalk tissue).

So I would support continuing to call Lonnie's Havana "Lonnie's Havana."

Bob
 

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Lonnie's Havana in my picture was topped before blooming and crooked before growing very tall .
But Lonnie's Havana that I sold or gave to other people really liked that Havana . I thought it made a good a mix in cigarettes blends .
 

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Lonnie's Havana in my picture was topped before blooming and crooked before growing very tall .
But Lonnie's Havana that I sold or gave to other people really liked that Havana . I thought it made a good a mix in cigarettes blends .

I like the fact that the leaves are close together from your picture. It looks like it has decent production. I would assume the leaves are on the thinner side?
 

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I like the fact that the leaves are close together from your picture. It looks like it has decent production. I would assume the leaves are on the thinner side?
I have been most impressed with the growth of this one, and uniformity of leaf and plants. I would not say thin leaf, but not heavy either. A good multi-purpose plant. Got some really nice wrapper, and kilned is a nice add to cigarette blends. I have only had crooked stalks when we had too much water. Planted in loose soil, I noted the root system tends to be more of a shallow "ball" than most varieties I have grown. Leaf is large and heavy when wet. Wet, heavy leaf + loose soil = tipping, even without wind.

The root structure should make it an ideal bucket grower.
 

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I have been most impressed with the growth of this one, and uniformity of leaf and plants. I would not say thin leaf, but not heavy either. A good multi-purpose plant. Got some really nice wrapper, and kilned is a nice add to cigarette blends. I have only had crooked stalks when we had too much water. Planted in loose soil, I noted the root system tends to be more of a shallow "ball" than most varieties I have grown. Leaf is large and heavy when wet. Wet, heavy leaf + loose soil = tipping, even without wind.

The root structure should make it an ideal bucket grower.

Well then, it sounds like the perfect kind for me to try! A medium leaf would be most desirable, like this one! It would be interesting to find out what Lonnie may have crossed this plant with. Hmmm, a shallow ball root system. Maybe I could add some sort of root starter around it. On second thought, I water every day in the summer months, now only every 3 days. That could also be like you said the reason "why" it tips, leans.

Sounds and looks like a winner for me!

It looks an somewhat like a Philippine variety I was looking at on GRIN for 2015, of course crossed with havana:

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Nicotianatabacum L. SOLANACEAE (tobacco)
Collected in: Philippines
Maintained by the NicotianaCollection. NPGS received: 22-Oct-1975. PIassigned: 1976. Inventory volume: 184. Form received: Seed. Accession backed upat second site.
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Accession names and identifiers
TI 1355
Idtype: OTHER. Group: TI. Comment: Tobacco Index numbers(Nicotiana sp.).
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Materialis available for distribution. The normal amount distributed is 1000seeds.
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Source History

  • Accession was collected. Philippines.
  • Accession was donated. 22-Oct-1975. Maryland, United States.
    Donors:
    1. USDA,ARS.

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This sounds like a nice variety for my limited space situation. I also like the "multipurpose" aspect. Are there seeds available? My first grow, of Shirey, is doing....*ok*...but it's not a heavy producer from my observation.
 
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