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    Re: Deer's tongue

    Quote Originally Posted by ChinaVoodoo View Post
    Oh my. I just realized that there are now at least three plants called Deer's tongue. The lettuce, the grass, and the herb, Trilisa odoratissima. I always thought it was the grass, Panicum. Cool, thanks Grumpa, you just saved me the price of grass seed.
    Well, I'd have to say, I've learned more on FTT than I have other places. I'm not saying that I'd never try this, I'd just have to take time to read these articles in depth, and consider them further. Sometimes I'm more of a naturalist when it comes to Tobacco, but haven't ruled out natural remedies to flavor, IF it doesn't add harmful effects by additives. Interesting thread, that I'll continue to follow and become more knowledgable.
    Amateur Cigar roller, Tobacco enthusiast.

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    Re: Deer's tongue

    So, I gather that the correct Deertongue for tobacco blending is Trilisa odoratissima, as stated in the link provided by Grumpa (http://ncpedia.org/deertongue). I don't see a vendor for seed in the US.

    Bob

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    Re: Deer's tongue

    Quote Originally Posted by deluxestogie View Post
    So, I gather that the correct Deertongue for tobacco blending is Trilisa odoratissima, as stated in the link provided by Grumpa (http://ncpedia.org/deertongue). I don't see a vendor for seed in the US.

    Bob
    i think this is it. There is no specific variety stated but the description matches. I know I have found seed available with the specific variety listed but can't seem to find it again. I'll keep looking.

    https://www.roundstoneseed.com/wildf...ngue-plant.asp

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    Re: Deer's tongue

    The plants are more readily available than the seeds

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    Re: Deer's tongue

    About half-way down this page: http://www.jeffpippen.com/plants/carphephorus.htm, there is a listing with an image for "Deer's-tongue, Vanillaleaf (Carphephorus odoratissimus, Trilisa odoratissima) Craven Co., NC."

    Going by this scant evidence (but from the correct location!) the Deerstongue that is blended with tobacco goes by two different Latin binomials:
    • Carphephorus odoratissimus
    • Trilisa odoratissima

    The University of South Florida presents the following synonyms (and the publication date) for this same plant :
    (http://www.florida.plantatlas.usf.ed...d=3092#synonym)
    • Carphephorus odoratissimus (1968)
    • Chrysocoma odoratissima (1792)
    • Liatris amplexicaulis (1836)
    • Liatris odoratissima (1803)
    • Trilisa odoratissima (1828)

    The seed offered here: https://www.roundstoneseed.com/wildf...ngue-plant.asp, indicates on a different page (https://www.roundstoneseed.com/seedlist.asp) that the "Deer Tongue Plant" (as opposed to the "Deer Tongue Grass") is in fact Carphephorus odoratissmus. So, you have found the right one, Grumpa. Nice work.

    Bob

    EDIT: It is listed as a perennial, but is probably frost sensitive, and would need to be seeded annually in colder areas. Seed packet $2.50 plus $2 shipping.

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    Crazy. On this page at Roundstone, they list the variety as Deluxestogie states above and you have the option of ordering in pound quantities. Why they have two separate pages, I do not know but is only $290/lb if you order more than 50 lbs at a crack.

    https://www.roundstoneseed.com/seed.asp?p=132

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    Re: Deer's tongue

    I guess I should expect less than a pound in the packet I ordered.

    If I can get this to make seed, it will go into the FTT seed bank next fall.

    Bob

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    Re: Deer's tongue

    I'm going to order from Roundstone too. Thanks for finding that. It was harder to track down than i thought. I would prefer to order from a real business, like roundstone; I did find that Amazon has it too, however. http://www.amazon.com/Carphephorus-o.../dp/B00BJ93ODQ

    I think it will be interesting, not only to have deers tongue, but also to try different processing methods with it. I think it will make the yard smell nice too.

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    Re: Deer's tongue

    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpa View Post
    That is not the correct deertongue for tobacco. Look here: http://ncpedia.org/deertongue It is more of a grass.
    Ah, thanks. In looking this up, then, I found this:
    http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supple...ame=deertongue

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    Re: Deer's tongue

    Quote Originally Posted by Bex View Post
    Ah, thanks. In looking this up, then, I found this:
    http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supple...ame=deertongue
    Although it is clearly important to make informed decisions, I would take the warnings in that article with a deal of skepticism. Coumarin is a blood anti-coagulant, (scary!), It is in cinnamon, and strawberries also, and one of the reasons they are concerned is because it will change the effectiveness of medications like warfarin (which is derived from it). From their perspective, using coumarin negates the benefit of having a standardized dose of warfarin, or aspirin, as it throws an unknown into the equation.

    You will find the same warnings about licorice, because it affects medications. From big pharma perspective, these natural sources of mildly effective plants are a threat to the bottom line, and need to be demonized, not better understood. And remember, although we are not dairy cows, consider the amount of coumarin found in clover and alfalfa silage.

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