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    Need some advice guys - varieties to plant

    This summer I want to grow mostly VA flue cured, with some burley and maybe some Turkish. I want to be able to get light, medium, and red VA. Can I get this from different primings off one type of Plant, or should I plant 2 or 3 varieties? What seed(s) would you recommend, and how can I obtain the seed?

    The Oriental, is Prelip considered to be tastier and/or stronger than Izmir? It seems that many of you prefer the Prilep. Maybe someone can advise me about this too.

    I plan on maybe 30+ VA bright plants, a dozen at most of burley, and I think I like TN90 best. There could be up to 20 oriental plants.

    Any recommendations? Also, my MD609 came out pretty good, so if anybody wants to trade...? I'll post that in the proper place.

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    Re: Need some advice guys

    yellow twist bud maybe?

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    Re: Need some advice guys

    20 oriental plants with small leaves such as prilep won't be a drop in your bucket for trading.
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    Re: Need some advice guys

    You can't trade economicly with people having the same product as you. Yours has to either be superior or less available.

    That is why I totally reccomend wholeleaftobacco.com and BigBonners Burley. A few pounds from them will tide you over.
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    Re: Need some advice guys

    Quote Originally Posted by DrBob View Post
    yellow twist bud maybe?
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    Re: Need some advice guys

    Quote Originally Posted by CT Tobaccoman View Post
    I want to be able to get light, medium, and red VA. Can I get this from different primings off one type of Plant, or should I plant 2 or 3 varieties?
    There is some discussion as to whether this is obtained by higher temps for firing, or from the position of the leaf. But it is one plant, from what I understand.

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    Re: Need some advice guys

    Quote Originally Posted by BarG View Post
    You can't trade economicly with people having the same product as you. Yours has to either be superior or less available.

    That is why I totally reccomend wholeleaftobacco.com and BigBonners Burley. A few pounds from them will tide you over.
    This isn't for trading. The VA flue, burley and oriental are what I use for my own cigarettes. Last season I grew excess MD609, so I would trade a lot of that for VA, burley, oriental, but my plan for 2015 is to grow what I have been buying most, not for trading.

    I like cigars better (I used to work in Conn Shade for 15 years) but it's hard to find time and place enough to enjoy a cigar. I stockpiled my faves buying from catalogs before SCHIP. I suck as a roller. So, i don't need to grow cigar tobacco--i have plenty cigars to smoke--over 300. I also have quite a bit of cigar leaf, mostly Conn. grown, but somebody is trading me for it right now, so I'll only keep a small amount of my cigar tobacco for my own rolling practice.

    So for 2015, I need to grow my own cigarette tobacco, and save money. That is what my questions are about--what kind of VA flue will give me different strengths--or should I grow different types of VA? Plan to use TN90 burley. Prilep senems milder than Izmur, but not much difference really. Maybe someone can suggest other orientals, maybe even give me small samples in exchange for a little CT-USA shade?

    I'm looking for a mild oriental.

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    Re: Need some advice guys

    Quote Originally Posted by DrBob View Post
    yellow twist bud maybe?
    Not familiar with it. Is it a VA flue cured? Can I get something like Lemon (mild,) VA Brightleaf (medium) and VA Red (strong) from it by curing primings at different max temp? Or is yellow twist bud the same general strength at all primings? This is the kind of thing I want to find out in advance. If one VA flue varietal can provide all 3 strength grades according to lower to upper primings, so much the easier. Or, is it better to grow different types of VA flue to get different strengths?

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    Re: Need some advice guys

    Quote Originally Posted by Bex View Post
    There is some discussion as to whether this is obtained by higher temps for firing, or from the position of the leaf. But it is one plant, from what I understand.
    Yes, I know. Logically, all tobacco is stronger the higher the priming. Also, the max temp at firing is critical especially when trying for a VA Red kind. So both position and temp are factors. I want to find out what the "one plant" is.

    Maybe the commonly commercially grown varietal known as "Virginia Brightleaf" might be the most versatile. But it is important to me that I also get a lot of lighter, milder leaves. I blend using Lemon, VA Bright and VA red, or, I combine Lemon with VA Red, using a bit more of the milder type. I also use various burleys, MD 609 and oriental, but in smaller ratio. My total blend is 2/3 a mix of light and strong VA flue cured, with more light than Red.

    I wonder if anyone knows which varieties of VA flue best provide both light and red. Or are certain varietals known for being lighter or stronger. Curing is a problem I will need to figure out. Maybe I'll build Bob's trash can cozy. How did your Virginia come out, Bex? Did you get leaves of different strengths? What seed did you use for your VA flue?

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    Re: Need some advice guys - varieties to plant

    Yellow twist bud is a white stem burley. Great grower, easy curing, minimal aging, mild by burley standards. A keeper in my book.

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