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Under all the climate conditions that have been reported on, Don's vapor-proof poly-nylon bags, unopened, keep the tobacco fresh for at least a few years--probably quite a bit longer. You can increase that time dramatically with a double bag. By that, I mean ordering enough of Don's largest poly-nylon bags (large enough for 10 pounds of leaf each !) to enclose batches of the smaller bags that the leaf comes in. They can be permanently sealed with a hot iron. [Polyethylene bags are not vapor proof.]

The pricing is probably dated (like 2011 prices), but the thread is here: http://fairtradetobacco.com/threads/418-Vapor-Proof-Bags/

You can PM Don about current pricing.

So, what will you do after the 10 year supply is consumed?

Bob
 

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Have I ever mentioned...leaf tobacco doesn't go bad? I'm not real big on the whole prepper movement, but Canada is tightening their whole leaf laws and the UK will end whole leaf sales around the first of the year. It's currently illegal to import and grow your own tobacco in Australia.

This is from a long-time customer in New Zealand...

Hi Don
Please make sure the package looks unobtrusive so it doesn't attract attention at customs.
For your info, I priced a packet of standard rolling tobacco at the local store out of curiosity.
The price has gone sky high as the govt selectively taxes the smoking public in a bid to be a smokefree country by 2025.
A 50 gram pack is now $78.00
There has been an increase in ram raids and gas station robberies where smokes are taken rather than cash.
The primary schools are now providing food to children so they don't go through the day hungry which is likely related to the parents priorities.
Australia is much the same in its pricing plus there, it is also illegal to grow your own.
Both Oz and NZ have reduced the tax free allowance at the border for international travellers from 250g carton, down to 1x 50g pack.
Cheers

I was actually intending to write you a similar message for my next order. Customs had a close look at my last order and although it got through they did charge me an import excise (sales, not tobacco excise). If the laws do get tightened this year it's going to be a right pain.
 

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Sorry to hear. Seems all the British Commonweath nations are in Stage 5 anti-tobacco hysteria. At least in the US we grow a lot of tobacco for cigarettes, cigars, pipes and chew, so I think tobacco will survive here. No lunacy about "plain" packaging with medical porn all over it has been proposed here. Everything in NYC is very costly, but here 100 miles away a pack of poison factory cigarettes run from $8 to $11 and far lower in Dixie. Cigarettes are smuggled by the truckload daily from the Carolinas to New York. They say over 40% of cigarettes sold in NYC are smuggled in from the South. Prohibition always attracts organized crime in the US, to the credit of those not yet ready to yield to a authoritarian nanny State. Just like marijuana. They are legalizing it now a little bit, but it has been easily available to those who want it for the past 60 years. Prohibition just does not work. It is in opposition to human nature. Someday, when the grid goes down, tobacco will buy more than cash. We all should grow as much as we can.
 

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For those in Canada we should all come together to grow some have places that they can actually grow and split the cost by allowing to grow on their land
 

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For those in Canada we should all come together to grow some have places that they can actually grow and split the cost by allowing to grow on their land

At present, it's legal to grow on land that you "occupy". The definition of "occupy" suggests that the law requires that you must at least go there to harvest and plant but not necessarily "reside" there. For example, your workplace is a location which you occupy. "Residence" is another defined word in the legislation. If they had meant it, they would have said it.
 

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ChinaVoodo I have never seen the word " occupy" in the law. The law actually states you can "manufacture" 15 kg of tobacco or cigars per person of legal age that resides on the land. I have not found any limit on what you can grow, just on manufacturing
[h=6]Exception — manufacturing for personal use[/h](3) An individual who is not a tobacco licensee may manufacture manufactured tobacco or cigars

  • (a) from packaged raw leaf tobacco or manufactured tobacco on which the duty has been paid, if the tobacco or cigars are for their personal use; or
  • (b) from raw leaf tobacco grown on land on which the individual resides, if
    • (i) the tobacco or cigars are for their personal use or that of the members of their family who reside with the individual and who are 18 years of age or older, and
    • (ii) the quantity of tobacco or cigars manufactured in any year does not exceed 15 kg for the individual and each member of the individual’s family who resides with the individual and who is 18 years of age or older.
 

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Under all the climate conditions that have been reported on, Don's vapor-proof poly-nylon bags, unopened, keep the tobacco fresh for at least a few years--probably quite a bit longer. You can increase that time dramatically with a double bag. By that, I mean ordering enough of Don's largest poly-nylon bags (large enough for 10 pounds of leaf each !) to enclose batches of the smaller bags that the leaf comes in. They can be permanently sealed with a hot iron. [Polyethylene bags are not vapor proof.]

The pricing is probably dated (like 2011 prices), but the thread is here: http://fairtradetobacco.com/threads/418-Vapor-Proof-Bags/

You can PM Don about current pricing.

So, what will you do after the 10 year supply is consumed?

Bob

Thanks, that's very good to know!, That's how I will do it then, and then store in plastic totes. After 10 years, if the SHTF and cant buy leaf anymore, I guess I will either have to quit, grow my own, or transition to some sort of herbal blend possibly, I don't know. I am a cigarette smoker, and the other problem I see with this new FDA crap is in getting the tubes in a couple years when it goes into full swing, so need to stockup on those too... no idea how long they would keep in the heat with the 'glue' or whatever they use in them. I know keeping regular boxes of junk stored using packing tape, the tape gets all crystallized after a few years. I even used some of that heavy duty paper tape with the strings in it that you wet and had some boxes in my garage, and they were all screwed up after a couple years. I am currently a full-time RVer, so growing is not possible, and on-board storage is at a major premium and I restrict my tobacco supply to about 15lbs at a time, though I could use another tote and double that, I just have yet to find that necessary. I have a small storage shed at my parents house that I could use to start stocking up and let age, and that is what I am considering doing for now. Where I will be in 10 years is anybody's guess... that is the beauty of the full-time RV lifestyle, but it does have its trade-offs (like storage space restrictions). We mostly live in the same area (near my folks) and are never usually away from there for more than a couple months at a time, so I can replenish my on-board stocks and only carry a few months worth at a time.
 

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Must chime in... if lucky enough to have a dry basement. Here my basement stays at 65F to 70F. From my own experience I can say a bail of tobacco with out covering will keep 3 years (i know for sure) and I would think much longer. It will dry out but can be hydrated. If placed in a sealed tub low case it will keep 2 years and can be handled, beyond two years it will keep but must be hydrated. If in tub and misted lightly when needed it will remain low case.I have no idea how long it can be kept at low case, but do know it would be a long time. I have words for what is happening but will keep them silent.
One could always dig a root cellar for their tobacco.
 

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ChinaVoodo I have never seen the word " occupy" in the law. The law actually states you can "manufacture" 15 kg of tobacco or cigars per person of legal age that resides on the land. I have not found any limit on what you can grow, just on manufacturing
[h=6]Exception — manufacturing for personal use[/h](3) An individual who is not a tobacco licensee may manufacture manufactured tobacco or cigars

  • (a) from packaged raw leaf tobacco or manufactured tobacco on which the duty has been paid, if the tobacco or cigars are for their personal use; or
  • (b) from raw leaf tobacco grown on land on which the individual resides, if
    • (i) the tobacco or cigars are for their personal use or that of the members of their family who reside with the individual and who are 18 years of age or older, and
    • (ii) the quantity of tobacco or cigars manufactured in any year does not exceed 15 kg for the individual and each member of the individual’s family who resides with the individual and who is 18 years of age or older.

Wow. I really messed up. Either I misinterpreted something from another jurisdiction or just have a poor memory. I don't know. I can't apologize enough.

I do recall reading this about a year ago.
""Residence", unlike "domicile" is not an exclusive concept so that a person may be resident in more than one jurisdiction at the same time[19]. At its simplest level, residence implies that a person is living in a jurisdiction: eating, sleeping, and working in that place. A person may "reside" in a place even if he or she is not physically present there from time to time[20]."

When residence has a definition that includes "working" it implies a slightly broader definition than "the place where you sleep" or "the land that you own". Surely if you owned land 50 miles from your house, you could be said to reside there enough to legally grow tobacco, no? And residence does not require ownership either. Rental or lease is sufficient, and maybe even employment. So although the words I had totally wrong, I think there is enough flexibility to the term "reside" to make a case for co-operative / leased growing.

Source:
http://justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/fl-lf/divorce/rhro_cl/p1.html#a1
 

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I have tried snuffs from the 50's, plain American snuffs, therefore essentially powdered tobacco. Not airtight just stored in a decent manner inconsistent with rust and the tobacco changes from the taste of fresh, but is still good.

Additives have shelf lives but from what I have learned, dry tobacco does not. At least practically speaking.

Eta: and for the topic, there is no more efficient tobacco use that I am aware of, 5 grams a day would be considered heavy use, all day long.
500 grams to a pound...

That's like 10-20 plants used in an entire year. Tobaccolypse style!:)

I'd have a hard time saying bye to cigars and pipes though,
 

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Wow. I really messed up. Either I misinterpreted something from another jurisdiction or just have a poor memory. I don't know. I can't apologize enough.

I do recall reading this about a year ago.
""Residence", unlike "domicile" is not an exclusive concept so that a person may be resident in more than one jurisdiction at the same time[19]. At its simplest level, residence implies that a person is living in a jurisdiction: eating, sleeping, and working in that place. A person may "reside" in a place even if he or she is not physically present there from time to time[20]."

When residence has a definition that includes "working" it implies a slightly broader definition than "the place where you sleep" or "the land that you own". Surely if you owned land 50 miles from your house, you could be said to reside there enough to legally grow tobacco, no? And residence does not require ownership either. Rental or lease is sufficient, and maybe even employment. So although the words I had totally wrong, I think there is enough flexibility to the term "reside" to make a case for co-operative / leased growing.

Source:
http://justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/fl-lf/divorce/rhro_cl/p1.html#a1

So by the way I read it that technically I could pay someone 20 dollars to lease the land and grow tobacco
 

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2 cents and I only play lawyer in the cigar store. However in most jurisdictions, at least in the US, and of my understanding in the provenience's of Canada, Canadian and US residence only applies to a location of your primary domicile. Ownership that extends past that is decided by how each political subdivision relates to that and is up to local law. Now leasing land which my family has done for years, hay etc, allows you to use use the land but only in a legal permitted manner, but fails the test of ownership...ymmv
 

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So by the way I read it that technically I could pay someone 20 dollars to lease the land and grow tobacco

In all honesty, I feel like that's not the intention of the law but that the wording makes it unclear enough to argue. They aren't meaning to leave a loophole by which you could start a business that resembles a tobacco cooperative or something. ( I don't want to get anyone in trouble.) and i believe there are more rules about where people can cure tobacco, but

It's seems incomplete or unclear because 1. people own land that they do not live at, and it would make sense that if they intended to prohibit people from growing on land they own but don't reside on, they would have been explicit. You would end up with situations like you bought several different farm properties and operate them all as one farm, but are legally described as separate properties. Grow on the one across the road from your house and you're breaking the law because it's a different property. And trust me, people hate tobacco enough to bust you for it. 2. They could have used more clear language like the standardized legal words of domicile or primary residence, but didn't.

I think the law could easily make one's life difficult enough to shut them down simply by making them pay their lawyers, but that ultimately, you wouldn't be convicted.
 

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2 cents and I only play lawyer in the cigar store. However in most jurisdictions, at least in the US, and of my understanding in the provenience's of Canada, Canadian and US residence only applies to a location of your primary domicile. Ownership that extends past that is decided by how each political subdivision relates to that and is up to local law. Now leasing land which my family has done for years, hay etc, allows you to use use the land but only in a legal permitted manner, but fails the test of ownership...ymmv

This is from a government website. - http://justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/fl-lf/divorce/rhro_cl/p1.html#a1
Part of the problem in assessing "residence" in the common law provinces is that (i) it usually is modified by terms such as "ordinary", "actual", or "habitual" each of which alters the basic meaning of the word "residence",



It goes on for pages explaining the words which alter the meaning of residence but isn't totally clear on the root word on its own.
 

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This is from a government website. - http://justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/fl-lf/divorce/rhro_cl/p1.html#a1
Part of the problem in assessing "residence" in the common law provinces is that (i) it usually is modified by terms such as "ordinary", "actual", or "habitual" each of which alters the basic meaning of the word "residence",



It goes on for pages explaining the words which alter the meaning of residence but isn't totally clear on the root word on its own.
I just know it is legal to grow 15 kgs for personal use
 

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It's also legal to import 15 kg of leaf per person over 18 years old.

Sometimes meanings get lost in the translation when you try to find things that aren't there.
 

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Sometimes meanings get lost in the translation when you try to find things that aren't there.

You are right. I got all mixed up because a year ago I had this idea that you could have a couple acres where group members share the land and facilities to grow and cure their personal amount. It's a neat idea, but not really a good one.
 

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Importing 15kgs would save money and that is how I would like to do it if I could
 
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