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    Re: Lefty second try

    Most tobacco leaf is more flavorful when allowed to fully ripen. The exception is for cigar binders and wrappers, which are a problem if they become too wavy or puckered.

    Also, the leaves from the bottom half of the plant tend to offer less flavor than leaves from the upper half.

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    Re: Lefty second try

    Quote Originally Posted by deluxestogie View Post
    Most tobacco leaf is more flavorful when allowed to fully ripen. The exception is for cigar binders and wrappers, which are a problem if they become too wavy or puckered.

    Also, the leaves from the bottom half of the plant tend to offer less flavor than leaves from the upper half.

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    No wonder. Most of my leaves I try are from bottom half of the plants. The upper part are still drying. But I can see the different between upper leaves and bottom leaves in color. My little dutch ligero leaves are almost black.

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    Re: Lefty second try

    For many varieties, the upper 1/4 of the plant's leaves are way too strong to smoke straight (and sometimes do not burn well). Where they truly excel is when blended with lower leaves.

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    Re: Lefty second try

    Thank you Bob. You are right about the taste of the leaves depending on their place on the stalk, but appart from selecting more leaves from the top of the plants, is there any way to improve the taste of the leaves globally ? I mean for the whole plant ?

    I rolled some cigars of pure Semois, with about 50% of the filler being corona leaves (the highest leaves of my plants), of course my cigars give more flavor, but I find it still lighter (in taste/flavor) than many commercial cigars... is it only the strain ? Or is it because my leaves are still too young (not kilned long enough) ? I wonder if my plants grew well ?

    If I give more fertilizer to the plants, will they give more flavor ? Or is it useless ?

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    Re: Lefty second try

    More fertilizer, or wider spacing, together with full ripening seem to increase the overall intensity of leaf. Early topping and prompt sucker removal does that as well.

    My impression of Semois (Manil, as well as JBD's home grown) is that it seems to be a somewhat mild burley variant, with more nicotine strength than aroma. I found it better suited to a pipe than a cigar.

    For commercial cigars, the variety selection and a subtropical sun contribute to the full flavors. Full fermentation (to the point when there is no longer a "grassy" aroma), followed by at least a few weeks to months of rest, will bring out the best.

    I have to add that, for my own cigar leaf production, seasonal variation in the crops, even of the same variety, account for substantial differences in the outcome. We home-growers see and use all the leaf we produce--the good, the bad, the ugly.

    Cigar factories see and use only carefully selected and sorted portions of a crop. And they get to choose the production of one plantation over that of another. In different years, different plantations may produce the best quality. When a particular crop of a particular variety is spectacular, a factory may purchase a supply of carefully sorted leaf sufficient to last them three or four years for a chosen cigar run.

    These are mathematical issues of scale. As an example, my Corojo 99 (what I consider to be my best cigar leaf variety for my garden) produces about 20% crappy leaf, 60% very good leaf, and 20% truly superb leaf. By contrast, a more average cigar variety in my garden may produce 20% crappy leaf, and the rest only "good" quality cigar leaf, with nothing really outstanding. If I were selling leaf, my reputation would ride on the very best of my Corojo 99, and nobody would ever see the crappy leaf.

    Recommendations: More sun. Early topping. Wait for at least a yellow tip, prior to priming the leaf. Adequate fertilizer. Sufficient fermentation. Plenty of rest (for the leaf, not for you).

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    Re: Lefty second try

    Thank you Bob for these precious informations !

    I prefer the semois in cigars rather than in pipe (I am talking about the leaves from my own production), but that's just some personnal preferences
    I am reassured if you say that semois is a "mild" burley, it means that I can hope for more flavors/taste in this year's crop ! I am eager to see what I will get !!!!

    I will follow your advices, and will hope for "more sun"

    One question : what do you mean by "early topping" ?

    Quote Originally Posted by deluxestogie View Post
    Recommendations: [...] Plenty of rest (for the leaf, not for you).
    Why not for me ???

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    Re: Lefty second try

    Quote Originally Posted by deluxestogie View Post
    My impression of Semois (Manil, as well as JBD's home grown) is that it seems to be a somewhat mild burley variant, with more nicotine strength than aroma. I found it better suited to a pipe than a cigar.



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    semois seeds Manil or Couvert ? Me seeds are Couvert

    The producers of Semois cook in a boiler the tobacco as the beans(charms) of coffee(café)... It gives another flavor......french flavor

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    Re: Lefty second try

    Quote Originally Posted by Charly View Post
    One question : what do you mean by "early topping" ?
    Some growers decide on a specific number of leaves per plant (16 on a burley, for example), and top the plant soon after that number of leaves are showing. This early topping, of course, means more work removing suckers. It also means losing the top leaves. The impact is that the plant will mature more rapidly, produce larger leaves, and may be more productive than with a greater leaf count. The lower leaf count will also increase the alkaloids in the remaining leaves. I do this with specimens that are slower and smaller than their peers, allowing them to catch up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gavroche View Post
    semois seeds Manil or Couvert ? Me seeds are Couvert
    I have smoked Manil and the Semois grown by Jitterbugdude. He may be able to clarify the details.

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    Thanks for the details, I will try this early topping method
    The hard part will be to know when (or with how much leaves) I'll have to top the plants...

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    Re: Lefty second try

    Update!

    When you guys says that giving haircut will stimulate root growth, I know now that it is true. You can see now, my seedlings that I give haircut rapidly growing root after giving haircut. Before this, they weren't this long. The longest root are coming from smallest seedlings. So now I know that smallest seedling doesn't mean it is not good. Maybe they spent their energy to grow root before growing leaves.
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    I will let them another week or so before transplant. I am sure the root are good enough to transplant now. I transfer all of my seedling from paper pot to egg carton too. The paper pot aren't draining well, which causes the seedling to either damping off or drying out. Looking at how well my seedling in egg carton, I will not even consider paper pot again after this.

    And,remember my twist tobacco? The one I said will wait a week to smoke? I lied. After only one day, I cut a little coin out of them and immediately smoke them in my small corn cob pipe. It tasted a bit light and the little dutch give too much cigar taste to some part. I was disappointed so I cut them all rub them and store. Today I tried them in a bigger cob, and wow! It tasted very good, I can taste a medium flavored smoke which is very tasty. So I agree with Bob. just a little rest after mixing the blend make a whole world of different in taste. Maybe it is the size of the pipe or maybe it is the rest after mixing. Whatever it is, I am one happy smoker now.

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    Just a little problem, the tobacco smoked a little too hot in my pipe.

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