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    Re: Hi everyone does anyone know where is Don of WLT?

    The NZ$45 was for heat treating.In Davidoffs case the duty is approx NZ$1000/ kilo. He was in for a shed load of duty. We are trying to work out what that magic cut off weight is. As we are in metric weight in this country and some guys are getting in 10lb lots we have guessed‚Äč that 5 kilos (11 lb) is the cut between personal and commercial use. It is not printed in the customs regulations any where and Don tries his hardest by placing all the paperwork available on the outside of the parcel.
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    Re: Hi everyone does anyone know where is Don of WLT?

    Canada its kind of the same 15kgs is our personal limit. I am not allowed to order anymore that than however to transport 3kgs as safe round that up its 7lbs. 5kgs can be transported but 7lbs is safe.

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    Re: Hi everyone does anyone know where is Don of WLT?

    Personal limits for manufacturing tobacco excise free ib nz are expected to drop this year from the current 15kg to 5kg.
    Of course this article i have linked to is just the government BS rehashed by a lazy reporter.


    http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/884141...-market-surges

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    Re: Hi everyone does anyone know where is Don of WLT?

    Five kg of cigar leaf comes out to about 1 corona 5 days a week for a year. (During nice weather, I smoke about 5 cigars a day.)

    Bob

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    Re: Hi everyone does anyone know where is Don of WLT?

    Could you possibly be a little more explicit. It would appear that you are confusing the amount that may be legally grown with the amount you may legally import.
    Are you not referring to the quantity (currently 15kg) that any one individual is legally allowed to grow and possess (as dry leaf) per year?
    This string relates to the importation of whole leaf tobacco, so I'm drawn to wonder if you are thinking that the 'threat' to reduce the excise-free quantity has anything to do with this.
    In my understanding, I don't think anything has been publicly said about the amount that any individual is permitted to import and possess. Provided you pay the excise duty, it would appear that there is no limit to that amount. However, if you want to avoid this duty the advice is to keep below the 5kg mark for each package.
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    Re: Hi everyone does anyone know where is Don of WLT?

    I was trying to say that the rules may be changinging soon and 5kg seems like a prudent maximum quantity to import in one shipment.
    I recommend Don and WLTs services as all required documentation is supplied with the shipment.

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    Re: Hi everyone does anyone know where is Don of WLT?

    Specificly the proposed change to the defination of manufactured tobacco to include drying could potentually change how Whole Leaf Tobacco classfied when duty is calculated.
    None of this has happenned yet of course.
    Link to proposed changes
    https://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=t&so...j86rAq8aDe5mEA

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    Re: Hi everyone does anyone know where is Don of WLT?

    Interesting that only three submissions were received; all from the big tobacco companies. I never saw any mention of the commission looking for comments and I bet none of the general public did either. I am sure the Health Dept, Police. ASH and all the other do gooders would have jumped in if it had been advertised. This is direct from the big tobacco companies.
    The statistics and wording is the same in parts from previous reports commissioned by BAT. A complete jack up but it is politics. so to be expected.
    Reading it. It is not aimed at the importation of WLT but at the big time growers here in NZ that are growing tons for the chop chop trade. BUT the change of the unmanufactured definition will bring importing under the same umbrella. Like most "do good, feel good laws" the law abiding will get hammered and the ones it is aimed at will ignore it because they are crims and don't obey laws anyway.
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    Re: Hi everyone does anyone know where is Don of WLT?

    To briefly respond to Bob's comment about 5kg of leaf providing only one corona, five days per week - that is, 260 per year; all I can say is that American maths must work differently to mine.
    According to what I can glean, online about cigar weights it would appear that a 'corona' is pretty much about 10 grams. If this is correct, then 5kg of leaf (de-stemmed) should make around 500 coronas. (Almost double the number you're talking about).
    Granted, if you're consuming five or so on a fine day your stash isn't going to last twelve months but for a cigarette smoker 5kgs/year (100 grams per week) is probably enough to get by on.
    As a matter of interest, 100 grams of loose tobacco now costs around NZ$170 (US$114 for 3.5 oz)
    My point really is: Although, naturally, don't want the amount we can grow legally, for personal use, reduced from 15kgs to 5kg, the present 15kg allows for an awful lot of smoking (300grams per week) - and at a pinch the reduction to 5kg probably wouldn't mean the end of the world.
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    Re: Hi everyone does anyone know where is Don of WLT?

    Wow! I didn't know it counted toward my final grade. I would have calculated, instead of guestimating. Hmmm. Let's see...

    • My home-rolled coronas weigh 11.5 grams or more. (Mi corona no es su corona.)
    • All of my leaf grows with a stem, most of which must be discarded in making the cigar from whole leaf. This probably represents 25% of the weight of each leaf, depending on the variety and stalk position of the leaf.
    • 5 days a week = 260 days per year
    • 1 deluxestogie corona 5 days a week = 2.99 kg per year
    • 1/3 of the utilized weight = 1/4 of the original weight --> 2.99 x 4/3 = 3.986 kg /year, including stem wastage (we'll call it 4 kg/year for one corona daily, 5 days each week)
    • oops!
    • how about one corona daily for 6 days each week? --> 4 kg x 6/5 = 4.8 kg /year

    I flunk. My American math only missed it by 1. But it still comes out to less than one cigar a day--my actual cigars, rather than internet cigars. Maybe we could reach that magical "one cigar a day, 7 days a week" by utilizing the table clippings to make one skimpy, short filler cigar for every 5 or 6 long filler cigars.

    All the silly math aside, the arbitrary limit of 5 kg per year of whole leaf is likely to be restrictive to some folks. I agree that it's not the end of the world, but it's intrusive.

    Bob

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