Greenmonster714's Grow Log 2017

[Charly]

I understand your point of view Bob
But who knows, it might be something good or not

When I read your message, I wonder if you meant : "GreenMonster, don't bother with this plant, discard it right now, no need to take more time to harvest/cure/kiln/smoke this variety : it's a waste of time and energy !"

What I know is that I plan on saving all the strains I am growing, even if some doesn't look like what I expected from them.
You have to wait after growing/harvesting/curing/kilning to know how good (or bad) they will smoke, that's why I will give a chance to all of them.
And if some leaves turn really bad, I can always throw the seeds in the garbage
Put some bag on the flowers is not the hardest part of the process

Yes July 14 is approaching, but it's not a reason to cut off the head to anyone (just for some tiny seeds)
And : Long live GreenMonster's delightful Izmir

 

[ChinaVoodoo]

Personally, it would drive me nuts not knowing what a certain tobacco is. However, I can use my imagination and envision a world where an unknown tobacco was so delicious, or special in some other way that my delight of it would overtake the anxiety of not knowing what it is. Probably not though.

But we've seen it with the supposed "thousand year old rustica" which is no doubt some Amazon/eBay hybrid fraud marketing thing. Despite the fact it's not really ancient, those who grow it have embraced it for what it is.

I certainly wouldn't cull a tobacco I had planted, but I might not save seed unless the tobacco made a really good argument for itself.

 

[deluxestogie]

But who knows, it might be something good or not

"...if you meant...don't bother with this plant, discard it right now..."

1. Somebody wins the lottery. 2. I might be begging for some of the seed from that plant in a few years. 3. It may be the only variety that grows in Martian soil.
{1. I don't. 2. I won't. 3. It won't.}

I think the wayward plant should be allowed to grow, and its leaf should be cured. It's tobacco!

Bob

 

[Charly]

Haha

 

[greenmonster714]

Izmir GM714..... I kinda like the ring of that...lol. Anyways, I'd never take down a plant unless it was diseased. Like I mentioned before. I'm not purchasing any strains from eBay anymore. I do like knowing or at least having a good idea of what my end product will be if all goes well. I currently have a few more of those unknowns growing. I do plan on bagging at least one plant of each. They may turn out trash but there's a 50/50 chance they may amount to something. Only one way to find out.

 

[ChinaVoodoo]

While we're on this topic, the year before I found FTT, I grew a variety called Special Burley Gold Seal. http://www.tobaccoseed.ca/tobacco_seed_list.htm
I've never seen it on any other website. I think I still have seed. Is this a real variety, or just some unknown?

 

[greenmonster714]

While we're on this topic, the year before I found FTT, I grew a variety called Special Burley Gold Seal. http://www.tobaccoseed.ca/tobacco_seed_list.htm
I've never seen it on any other website. I think I still have seed. Is this a real variety, or just some unknown?

I've been to that site before. Some of the stuff they have there I've never found anywhere else either.

 

[Hasse SWE]

While we're on this topic, the year before I found FTT, I grew a variety called Special Burley Gold Seal. http://www.tobaccoseed.ca/tobacco_seed_list.htmI've never seen it on any other website. I think I still have seed. Is this a real variety, or just some unknown?

I have seen it, but not shore were.. A light cigarette Burley

 

[Hasse SWE]

ChinaVoodoo and greenmonster714 that link ain't telling telling much about "Special Burley Gold seal" I found a mail conversation between me and a man how have been growing that variant some season. This is what he told me about the variant:"This tobacco Burley is a pyramidal shaped tall plants with the leaf's growing upright From the stalk. The plant gets around 28 technical leaves (Hasse I have no data of topping but if I would taking the time I would saving 22-24 leaf).When leaves when ripe are painted in colors from golden to bright-lemon. Leaf's maturing around 60-65 day's.Ideal for making cigarettes, cigarillos, chewing tobacco and a tube. Contraindicated for use in cigars. The smoke is mild but the taste is aromatic (with a typical Burley taste). This variant is excellent choice for people how like a small taste of burley."I can also tell that I decided to not grow the variant because I already have to many similar Burley variants to grow (don't need more of those).

 

[deluxestogie]

I searched ARS-GRIN (https://npgsweb.ars-grin.gov/gringlobal/search.aspx) for any Nicotiana tabacum that includes *gold*. The search returns 30 accessions. There is no mention of "Gold Seal" in any of the details.

Bob

 

[Hasse SWE]

Bob when I google the name I found this number: TA101 so I am shore that "seedman" have it.. They have some other variant that I can't find any information on.

 

[Charly]

The smoke is mild but the taste is aromatic (with a typical Burley taste)

Sounds interesting

 

[deluxestogie]

ARS-GRIN holds well over 2000 varieties of N. tabacum, but even I have over a dozen varieties that GRIN does not have.

Bob

 

[ChinaVoodoo]

ARS-GRIN holds well over 2000 varieties of N. tabacum, but even I have over a dozen varieties that GRIN does not have.

Bob

And I've also noticed GRIN-CA has varieties which ARS-GRIN does not.

 

[BarG]

ARS-GRIN holds well over 2000 varieties of N. tabacum, but even I have over a dozen varieties that GRIN does not have.

Bob

Aha LOL holding out.

 

[deluxestogie]

Both Knucklehead and I submitted new seed varieties to ARS-GRIN, but they are apparently no longer in the business of acquiring new ones. Both were rejected. They are more worried about plant patent litigation than science.

Bob

 

[Hasse SWE]

Both Knucklehead and I submitted new seed varieties to ARS-GRIN, but they are apparently no longer in the business of acquiring new ones. Both were rejected. They are more worried about plant patent litigation than science.Bob

Yes I can understand them the same time that I don't understand.. They have much to take care of like it is.. I most say that I hope they don't close the door totally..By the way I have some variants that I don't have seen in their bank eather. The little funny thing with "Burley gold seal" is that I found a Russian page how told that the variant is common growing in USA..

 

[deluxestogie]

The little funny thing with "Burley gold seal" is that I found a Russian page how told that the variant is common growing in USA..

That is probably true, and the likely explanation is that a seed vendor altered the name at some point.

Bob

 

[Hasse SWE]

That is probably true, and the likely explanation is that a seed vendor altered the name at some point.Bob

Or they use a translating program, I remember that I was close to make that mistake last year. One of the the variant I got in a swap got a really interesting name.

 

[ChinaVoodoo]

Or they use a translating program, I remember that I was close to make that mistake last year. One of the the variant I got in a swap got a really interesting name.

We had a real chuckle one time when a misspelled "plants" got translated into "pantalons."