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    Greenmonster714's Grow Log 2017

    GM714's Grow Log 2017

    The journey into this has been a very enjoyable one so far. I say so far because at one point along the way I'm sure to run into problems. I can't be totally nieve and believe everything will go as planned...but...at least I have a plan.

    First, I'd like to thank all the folks here for sharing their experience on the pages of this forum. Everything I need to know is here and if I need answers to a question ya'll are always willing to help. I can't think of any better place than FTT forums.

    So here it goes. I am a pipe smoker and love blending my own tobacco. I do enjoy a nice cigar from time to time but my primary goal is tobacco for my pipe. After finding this site and spend hours upon hours reading I will take that a step further and try to grow my own this year and hopefully for years to come. So, its time to put down the computer and make this happen. I have made a hanging lamp contraption that should do fine for the four 1020 trays that will be used to get them ready for outdoors. The four trays will have 36 deep inserts in each tray which will give me 216 little ones to deal with. Not to sure how many of those will make it to maturity but we shall see. From what I've read here its a good idea to have spare plants ready to go to replace failures. This is my list of beans to pop. Yes, its a long list for a newbie but why not jump in over my head the first time around..lol.

    Bright Leaf
    Big Gem
    White Stem Orinoco
    Frog Eye Orinoco
    Hickory Prior
    Virginia Gold
    Crimean

    Dark
    Bolivian Criollo Black
    Little Dutch
    Indian Black
    Sm Stock Black Mammoth
    Shirley

    Burley
    Gold Dollar
    Yellow Twist Bud
    Golden Burley

    Oriental/Turk
    Bursa
    Duzce
    Yenidje

    Other
    Perique
    Samsun 85

    The majority of seeds I purchased are from a guy who is a member here. He sells under the name SpicyAcres on ebay. I have been in contact with him and he's helped me out on some decisions. For the price I couldn't pass it up. Ten different strains for $20 shipping and all. The Big Gem is from a member here named CaryNC (thank you) and the rest are from the Ukraine, Virginia, Pennsilvania, and Germany. The only question I have about the seed is the Samsun 85. I can not find any information on it. Has anyone here every heard of it. It came from the Ukraine. Hindsight kinda tells me I shouldn't have bought the S 85 but its here and its going in the ground at some point. The only seed I do not have yet is the Golden Burley. It should be here soon.

    As far as variety goes I have plants that should mature within 45-95 days after setting them out in the garden. At least that's what the literature I've read says about them. I know conditions, soil, and nutrients can cause those numbers to be off a bit. The months of August and September around here are sticky and hot so I should have good conditions to air cure some leaf. I have a large horsebarn available to air cure and I will probably use it when needed but I plan on building a structure out of pallets. It will be about 9'x9' with a 7' tin roof which should hold a lot of leaf. The spacing between the pallet slats should allow for great airflow. If it appears that they are drying to fast I can always just cover a side or two with plastic or some roofing paper and control the air movement from the inside with a 110v blower. The structure will have a dirt floor. I want to leave it this way so if by chance I am trying to air cure and the humidity drops I can just spray the floor now and then to keep the humidity up. One issue I am concerned about is the weight of those drying leaves. I remember reading where Bob posted about how drying leaf can be very heavy and to be sure that the structure can support all those hanging leaves. So, I plan on using some 4x4's to strenghthen the building. I imagine with those anchored in on the four corners it should be just fine.

    Starting my beans
    And so it begins. I have tried to clone what BigBonner does to start his seed. Or at least very similar to his method. I've learned years ago that if you want to learn something new do what others do successfully. I have 19 small bread loaf disposable pans that will be labled. I have placed two drop lights under a shelf I made in a small closet. I drilled some 5/8" holes to get more heat to the bottom of the trays and covered the pans with plastic to hold in warmth. It appears to be working well but I am still testing it before I throw any seed in there. I don't have a seedling mat heater so I'll have to do the best I can with what I've got. My starter soil is not the most ideal mixture. It is a potting mix from Baccto. I got it at the local feed store. The guy said that is what they start their seeds with so why not give it a try. It feels rather light and fluffy so I'm hoping it will do the trick for now. I can't really afford to buy vermiculite and perilite to add to it so I'm gonna go with it. I know all ya really need is a wet paper towel to pop the beans but I'd like to keep some alive and well if I need them to replace any failures. My water is from the tap. Its been sitting in a few gallon jugs for days to bleed off the chlorine before I used it. The seeds will be fed by wicking water up into the medium from below during germination and in the flat trays as well.

    Start Soil and NPK
    Much like Miracle Grow this medium has a small amount of nutrients that should help things stay healthy throughout their time in germination and 1020 flat trays.
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    Nitrogen 0.85%
    0.01 Ammonical Nitrogen
    0.02 Nitrate Nitrogen
    0.81 Urea Nitrogen
    0.01 Water-Soluble Nitrogen
    Phosphate 0.15%
    Potassium 0.10%
    Note: Portions of this have been polymer coated to provide 0.14% coated slow release Nitrogen, 0.03% coated slow release available Phosphate, and 0.02% coated slow release soluble Potash.

    So, there it is. My first stab at growing tobacco. I will throw some pictures up in a few of my setup in the closet. I've moistened the soil and am waiting to see what the soil temp will be before I throw in some beans. I can honestly say I doubt I would have made it this far without the help of you good folks here at FTT. I can only hope that someday I too can help first time growers as you all have helped me.
    Thank you all, Jeff

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    Re: Greenmonster714's Grow Log 2017

    This is my setup in the closet for germinating seed. I have watered them from below and let the medium get good and wet. I have a thermometer stuck in the soil and it is reading 80degrees. The plastic over the trays seems to be holding in the heat and moisture rather well. I figure to regulate the temperature I can simply crack the door a little. As long as I can maintain 75-80 temps I should be okay.
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    If the temps stay steady overnight I'll throw some beans in there tomorrow. I've got the name tags made so all that's left is germination.

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    Re: Greenmonster714's Grow Log 2017

    A number of members have had good success with Bacto for starting. Looks like you're ready to go.

    If I squint, I can see several constellations in the second image.

    Bob


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    Re: Greenmonster714's Grow Log 2017

    Great ! if you manage to keep a good temperature it might be good !
    (I think I'll eventually have to find a way to heat my seeds too...)

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    Re: Greenmonster714's Grow Log 2017

    Quote Originally Posted by deluxestogie View Post
    A number of members have had good success with Bacto for starting. Looks like you're ready to go.

    If I squint, I can see several constellations in the second image.

    Bob

    Lol Bob. Good to hear the Baccto is a pretty good medium to start. I got all of them planted tonight. Now its a race to see who shows me some green first.

    Quote Originally Posted by Charly View Post
    Great ! if you manage to keep a good temperature it might be good !
    (I think I'll eventually have to find a way to heat my seeds too...)
    Yep, I'm hoping the temps stay pretty steady at least they have the past 4 hours. A good steady temp usually helps germination big time. I sat and thought about it a long time trying to figure out how to do it with what I had available and above is what I've come up with. It may look red neck but I think it'll get the job done.

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    Re: Greenmonster714's Grow Log 2017

    Quote Originally Posted by greenmonster714 View Post
    The only question I have about the seed is the Samsun 85. I can not find any information on it. Has anyone here every heard of it. It came from the Ukraine. Hindsight kinda tells me I shouldn't have bought the S 85 but its here and its going in the ground at some point.
    I grow Samsun 85 last year. I bought it from Russian ebay dealer. It is a good hardy plant. My research shows that there are 2 nurseries that sell S 85, one label it as f1 seed, and the others don't. I bought the one that are not labeled f1 seed and try to regrow it this year to see whether it will retain the characteristic. I can't comment on the size as I grow it in 1 gallon pot, but it is very flavorful. It give strong oriental flavor, and very similar to my country's blend for Peter Stuyvesant cigarette brand. Very sticky leaves, no sucker until topped, and insect doesn't seems to attack it despite my heavy infestation of aphids last year. See my poor man grow log for picture.

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    Re: Greenmonster714's Grow Log 2017

    Quote Originally Posted by Leftynick View Post
    I grow Samsun 85 last year. I bought it from Russian ebay dealer. It is a good hardy plant. My research shows that there are 2 nurseries that sell S 85, one label it as f1 seed, and the others don't. I bought the one that are not labeled f1 seed and try to regrow it this year to see whether it will retain the characteristic. I can't comment on the size as I grow it in 1 gallon pot, but it is very flavorful. It give strong oriental flavor, and very similar to my country's blend for Peter Stuyvesant cigarette brand. Very sticky leaves, no sucker until topped, and insect doesn't seems to attack it despite my heavy infestation of aphids last year. See my poor man grow log for picture.
    Thank you, that is good news to hear. I've looked everywhere to find information on that strain but couldn't find anything. I bought it from an ebay dealer in the Ukraine as well. It came in a commercial package much like you'd see in a dollar store seed display in the USA. Only thing is it was all in Russian. I had ordered more from the same guy but for some reason the seeds never showed up and he gave me a quick refund. Great guy to do business with. I let the guy know that if they do happen to show up in the mail I would send him the money once more. I would have liked to have the seed but reordering it would take another month to get here. Have you ever grown out seeds with the names...New Anniversary 142 or Dubek? Again, thanks for the information on the Samsun85.

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    Re: Greenmonster714's Grow Log 2017

    Smoking tobacco "Samsun 85" - Nicotiana tabacum L. Middle-grade Oriental smoking tobacco with an average nicotine content (up 2.1%) and high smoking properties (in terms of: strength, aroma, flavor and sweetness - 38.4 points). The plant quickly produces a large amount of large dark green leaves of high quality. Plant height of 1.0-1.5 m. The flowers are pinkish-red. Value varieties: leaf with a slight waxy protective layer, elastic texture and small veins, rich in essential oils. The dried leaves have a delicate and subtle sweet flavor, characterized by sustained burning.

    The variety is resistant to root rot, and peronosporosis podgaru. Recommended for cigarettes and pipes.

    ...planted in open ground in the middle to the end of May at a distance of 50-70 cm From mid-July start collecting and drying tobacco.

    https://translate.google.com/transla...%26GID%3D19506
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    Re: Greenmonster714's Grow Log 2017

    Thank you Bob. I see you've had it translated but from where did you get that information?

    There we not many seeds in that package and I hope they germinate because I like what I just read. I've tried to throw as many pipe recommended strains as I could find together for this grow. My goal is to never buy commercial blend tobacco again and if this season goes well I will be on that path for sure.

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    Re: Greenmonster714's Grow Log 2017

    For a pipe you can't go wrong with lots of Turkish strains. Your Brightleaf strains will be very bland unless you flue cure them.

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