Criollo Misionero

[Hasse SWE]

Hello my friends I actually got a mistake from a Criollo variant from Argentina I do not know if I will grow it this year but I am a little curious about what it can be for tobacco. therefore I feel that if I can get information about it any stop then this is inside.

So have any one been growing a variant named criollo Misionero?

 

[deluxestogie]

III. DARK AIR CURED
Semois
Misionero et ses hybrides
Nostrano del Brenta
...
http://www.assemblee-nationale.fr/europe/pdf/doc_e/e2299.pdf

LIGHT NOURISHED, with large, supple leaves and an intense green, rich in gum, require rich soils, a humid atmosphere and sufficient sunshine. The spaka, the Misionero and the Burley fall into this category which gives black tobaccos after drying.

http://pmb.sicac.org/opac_css/doc_num.php?explnum_id=1109

This is all pretty scant information from dubious sources.

Bob

 

[Hasse SWE]

Yes Bob I I also find this:
https://books.google.se/books?id=Hj...KYKHXwIAp0Q6AEwCnoECAUQAQ#v=onepage&q&f=false

On page 95 they tell little about it

 

[deluxestogie]

That was helpful. Here's what I've concluded. "Misioneros" was the popular name for immigrant settlers on the small farm parcels in Argentina's remote province of Misiones. That province is a finger of territory between Paraguay and Brazil, and was settled initially by Jesuit missionaries--hence the name.

Criollo Misionero was apparently a "native" variety of tobacco that was popularly planted in Misiones (by the "Misioneros") during the first half of the twentieth century. It's hard to guess what tobacco variety Criollo Misionero resembles, but Flojo is common in Paraguay, Guâcharo in Venezuela, and Criollo Black in Bolivia--all of which resemble one another in being a tall, long-leaf, dark and strong varieties used in cigars.

Bob

 

[Hasse SWE]

Bob I know pretty little about and around this variant. The only thing I know is that it have been growing in Argentina before 1960.

Perhaps it would be nice if any one would like to grow it side to side with Bolivian Black criollo.

I will only grow a few N.Tabacum this season (per-pers, Tofa, k326, k326 PVY and NC 2326 Mammoth) So I can give a way the seed that I don't send to Yuri.

I think I have seed that I can send to 4-5 grower (and save a small batch for my self).

I also have Piloto Cubano (but I think people in here already grow that).

 

[deluxestogie]

@OldDinosaurWesH grew the most smokable Bolivia Criollo Black I have sampled. (I was not happy with my own, because of high levels of terpene, even after kilning and prolonged aging.)

You might PM him to see if he might be interested in a comparison grow using the Criollo Misionero.

Bob

 

[Hasse SWE]

Good idea Bob, yes I most say that he would be perfect for that if he like Bolivian Black (I also like it but can't grow everything).

 

[Hasse SWE]

This is funny for a hobby grower and oral snuffer like me..

 

[deluxestogie]

That's pretty descriptive. Nice find.

Bob

 

[Hasse SWE]

I also found this from 1982 and mine shall be an older version if I don't have wrong information.

 

[Hasse SWE]

Here it is..

 

[ChinaVoodoo]

On those last two posts, the two tobacco are fermented up to 58°, and 60°. Nice to know.

 

[deluxestogie]

The first one (Correntino criollo) is from a different location than Misiones, though still adjacent to Paraguay.

Since "criollo" literally means "native" or "local", the names of the two different tobaccos may be the same varietal grown in different locations, or two entirely different varieties. There's no way to know without seeing both the plants.

"The Tobacco Criollo Correntino is a variety of tobaccos called Black or Dark and is a native species of the area."
https://issuu.com/puken/docs/economiasregionales_tabaco

I believe this is a photo of tobacco growing in Correntino.

Likewise for this photo from Chaco, Argentina, adjacent to Correntino.

http://www.diarionorte.com/article/...rtin-porque-la-provincia-no-transfiere-fondos

It does strongly resemble Bolivia Criollo Black in its leaf shape, and appears to have been topped at a low leaf count. Some untopped plants are visible in the background of the first image.

Bob

 

[OldDinosaurWesH]

The leaf types shown do resemble Bolivia Criollo Black. My BCB's were 10 feet tall and produced 24 or 25 leaves each.



Wes H.

 

[Hasse SWE]

The leaf types shown do resemble Bolivia Criollo Black. My BCB's were 10 feet tall and produced 24 or 25 leaves each.

View attachment 26894

Wes H.

Amazing when I grow Bolivian Black Criollo they was big but not that big! My stop at around 8feet if I don't mistake. My silver river was a little higher but also needed little longer time to put flowers so I decade to quit growing it.
Hope you will like both NC#2326 Mammoth and Criollo Misionero Wes H

 

[Hasse SWE]

On those last two posts, the two tobacco are fermented up to 58°, and 60°. Nice to know.

I tried to put up a link because it have mutch information about different variants.
But let's see if I vrite it myself:
http://legacy.libary.ucsf.edu/tid/uhx76a99/pdf

 

[Alpine]

Sorry Hasse, the link doesn’t work... for me at least.

Pier

 

[ChinaVoodoo]

Sorry Hasse, the link doesn’t work... for me at least.

Pier

Me neither. Hopefully you can get it to work or direct us some other way.

 

[deluxestogie]

It appears that ucsf has changed the structure of their tobacco industry data files.

Try starting here: https://www.industrydocumentslibrary.ucsf.edu/
and select just Tobacco Collections, then search for the title of the article, or some distinct key word.

Bob