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Advice on making coffee flavored RYO?

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Hi, I’m new to RYO but recently purchased whole leaf and want to try either casing or topping it to create a coffee flavor. I stumbled upon another user’s similar thread:
Thread 'History and info on using coffee in a casing sauce?'

But was less about creating a coffee flavor. Does anyone have suggestions / recipes on how to flavor using espresso or Kahlua?The leaves I bought are Virginia flue cured orange leaf and oriental basma — thinking I would flavor the Virginia but not basma.
Any advice would be appreciated.
 

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Hi, I’m new to RYO but recently purchased whole leaf and want to try either casing or topping it to create a coffee flavor. I stumbled upon another user’s similar thread:
Thread 'History and info on using coffee in a casing sauce?'

But was less about creating a coffee flavor. Does anyone have suggestions / recipes on how to flavor using espresso or Kahlua?The leaves I bought are Virginia flue cured orange leaf and oriental basma — thinking I would flavor the Virginia but not basma.
Any advice would be appreciated.
My first thought is just spray it on in small micro-batches (enough for just a few rollies) with the understanding that it won't necessarily achieve the flavor you're after quickly, but will at least give you a thumbs up/thumbs down sense for whether the technique will eventually work (given careful measurement and time to age with the new flavor).

So just using a spray bottle to apply some Kahlua on tobacco warmed in the microwave (or not), then dried back down to rolling case.

However, a pipe tobacco guy on another forum discourages direct application of any alcoholic stuff, saying it messes up the tobacco. I'm not sure about that since I think rum was a pretty common additive for pressed Navy Plug tobacco.

Anyway, he recommended infusion - putting the booze and tobacco together in a closed container but separated from each other (no direct contact or soaking up of the booze) for weeks to get the aroma. Not sure that would impart much flavor though...

There's also pressing. Apply your casing and use a noodle press to squeeze the heck out of it for a few days or longer. This idea is also from pipe forums. Player's Medium Navy Cut...

Maybe someone has already done a coffee flavor and will chime in. Otherwise, experiment away and do a goodly amount of googling, I guess. My sense is there's bound to be someone on one of the pipe or cigar forums who has tried this.
 

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My first thought is just spray it on in small micro-batches (enough for just a few rollies) with the understanding that it won't necessarily achieve the flavor you're after quickly, but will at least give you a thumbs up/thumbs down sense for whether the technique will eventually work (given careful measurement and time to age with the new flavor).

So just using a spray bottle to apply some Kahlua on tobacco warmed in the microwave (or not), then dried back down to rolling case.

However, a pipe tobacco guy on another forum discourages direct application of any alcoholic stuff, saying it messes up the tobacco. I'm not sure about that since I think rum was a pretty common additive for pressed Navy Plug tobacco.

Anyway, he recommended infusion - putting the booze and tobacco together in a closed container but separated from each other (no direct contact or soaking up of the booze) for weeks to get the aroma. Not sure that would impart much flavor though...

There's also pressing. Apply your casing and use a noodle press to squeeze the heck out of it for a few days or longer. This idea is also from pipe forums. Player's Medium Navy Cut...

Maybe someone has already done a coffee flavor and will chime in. Otherwise, experiment away and do a goodly amount of googling, I guess. My sense is there's bound to be someone on one of the pipe or cigar forums who has tried this.
I’ve seen several casing recipes using spirits, and found one recipe with Kahlua here:
Post in thread 'Pipe Blend Challenge - Spring 2020'
https://fairtradetobacco.com/threads/pipe-blend-challenge-spring-2020.9327/post-170083

Would mixing espresso with it and spraying it be a bad idea?
 

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A long time ago, I made my own Kahlua with a whole vanilla bean soaking in vodka, which was eventually blended with a concentrated solution of Tasters' Choice instant coffee. Kahlua is ethanol, flavored with coffee plus vanilla.

The benefit of using concentrated (much stronger than you would drink) instant coffee for tobacco is that you eliminate the possibility of combusting fine bits of coffee bean.

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A long time ago, I made my own Kahlua with a whole vanilla bean soaking in vodka, which was eventually blended with a concentrated solution of Tasters' Choice instant coffee. Kahlua is ethanol, flavored with coffee plus vanilla.

The benefit of using concentrated (much stronger than you would drink) instant coffee for tobacco is that you eliminate the possibility of combusting fine bits of coffee bean.

Bob
I see, so using Kahlua only or with instant coffee instead would be safer?
 
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