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Arrived a day early! This book looks outstanding! Great info and much appreciation to @deluxestogie @skychaser and I believe @Knucklehead for all collaborating on this, in addition to anyone else I may have missed. I really like the layout and ability to not have to go all over the internet trying to find out the info. Keep it up!

Edit: Need to add Don in here also! @FmGrowit
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I appreciate the kind words.

Keep it up!
As a print-on-demand book, I am able to do minor updates from time to time. If any member identifies an error or omission, just let me know about it. I will include that in the next revision.

The info on Mont-Calme Jaune and Mont-Calme Brun has already been revised, but will not appear until the next book revision is released (date uncertain). This is the result of research and communications from @Petzi on the subject.

Download new Mont-Calme pages as a two-page pdf.

Bob
 
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I appreciate the kind words.


As a print-on-demand book, I am able to do minor updates from time to time. If any member identifies an error or omission, just let me know about it. I will include that in the next revision.

The info on Mont-Calme Jaune and Mont-Calme Brun has already been revised, but will not appear until the next book revision is released (date uncertain). This is the result of research and communications from @Petzi on the subject.

Download new Mont-Calme pages as a two-page pdf.

Bob
Bob this is really interesting. I have obtained seeds originating from the East German seed bank PGRDEU. I acquired Mont Calme Brun a few years ago. When I asked Jessica at the USDA, she told me about Mont Calme June and that they probably have the variety stuck with the name slightly misspelled, please check out:
Monte Calmajaune TI 1522 PI 370288.
-I believe that some of the information on can be interesting to find even in your PDF.
 

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Monte Calmajaune TI 1522 PI 370288 is a different variety than the Swiss-developed Mont-Calme Jaune. PI 370288 is clearly stated to have been developed in Belgium. Its leaf size and morphology are strikingly different, and its nicotine is 2 to 3 times higher than Mont-Calme Jaune. PI 370288 lists no pedigree, and the photos available show a different plant. The Swiss developed Mont-Calme Jaune has extensive, detailed data on its pedigree (even who performed the crosses and when). The Swiss consider it a burley. ARS-GRIN classes the Belgian one as "other".

So I can't say what that Belgium variety is, other than not Mont-Came Jaune.

Bob
 

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Monte Calmajaune TI 1522 PI 370288 is a different variety than the Swiss-developed Mont-Calme Jaune. PI 370288 is clearly stated to have been developed in Belgium. Its leaf size and morphology are strikingly different, and its nicotine is 2 to 3 times higher than Mont-Calme Jaune. PI 370288 lists no pedigree, and the photos available show a different plant. The Swiss developed Mont-Calme Jaune has extensive, detailed data on its pedigree (even who performed the crosses and when). The Swiss consider it a burley. ARS-GRIN classes the Belgian one as "other".

So I can't say what that Belgium variety is, other than not Mont-Came Jaune.

Bob
Thank you for your very detailed reflection. - Actually, I can't say anything other than that you seem to be absolutely right. Quite interesting that the Belgian one is not the same as the one from Switzerland. I know that the East German seed bank had some varieties that I know are Burley varieties classified as "Other". Maybe I will "borrow" some of them in the future and grow them side by side with seeds from Paul's seeds to see if these are Burley or not. I know that the USDA only reports information that came with the seeds, something that if I drift a little off topic easily makes Red African classified as Virginia F-C (Brightleaf tobacco). But this Mont Calme Jaune thing was interesting.
 

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The Mont-Calme story starts in 1906.

Apparent Pedigree:​
a) Mont-Calme de Martinet in 1906: Amersfoorter x White Burley.
b) Mont-Calme Jaune de Rapin in 1927: Mont-Calme (de Martinet) x White Burley. ===> classed as burley
c) Mont-Calme Brun de Rapin in 1927: Mont-Calme (de Martinet) x White Burley. ===> classed as cigar type

When a) was then further crossed again with "White Burley", it produce a large number of differing plants in the F1 generation. Among all those assorted plants, two were distinct from one another, and selectively propagated over a number of years into b) and c). So both b) and c) have exactly the same pedigree. It is certainly possible that yet a third variant from that initial F1 generation somehow made its way into Belgium (?tobacco espionage?).

This story of Mont-Calme Jaune and Brun is a wonderful example of the process known as grower selection.

Bob
 

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If you screw up the breeding tree with dark (KY) varieties, a similar phenomenon occurs, you can also find examples with Wisconsin Havan types that also.. jump from being a Cigar tobacco to become a pipe tobacco.

But back to the subject before I give us both brain hemorrhages, Mont Calme Brun is a fantastic tobacco and I hope and believe I will be just as happy with Mont Calme Jaune. My mont calme brown smelled of tobacco early on which made it very fun to have.
 
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