Plinsc
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I got my cocoa nibs so I’ll be working on some burley whole leafs I bought, also some bright leaf to get ready also
China Voodoo's Carotte Method
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HillDweller
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That looks great.
That worked!
Thanks!
And now it doesn't- being asked for ID, or a credit card to verify my age.....Information I'm not willing to give.
(At least I got to see the carrotte method!)
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Frazeri
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If the problem is to avoid contact with air after you pressed it, in order to not getting mold, couldn't it work even pressing and vacuum sealing right after?
ChinaVoodoo
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You could do that. I have and found its not the same.
Maybe it's too well sealed, not allowing moisture to escape? I think you only get 14psi from a vacuum sealer. It is hard to seal when liquid is coming out while trying to seal. And regarding the end product, my experience is that due to higher surface area of a plug, they dry out faster after opening.
Maybe it's too well sealed, not allowing moisture to escape? I think you only get 14psi from a vacuum sealer. It is hard to seal when liquid is coming out while trying to seal. And regarding the end product, my experience is that due to higher surface area of a plug, they dry out faster after opening.
Frazeri
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Thanks! I thought that with your method between plastic bag and tape it were completely sealed...
Does it come out already dry when you open after aging (let's say a couple of months) ?
Does it come out already dry when you open after aging (let's say a couple of months) ?
ChinaVoodoo
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It does not. Maybe I described it wrong. It just seems to get down to a level where it's not acutely wet. It actually takes a long time to dry after opening. My hypothesis about that is that the pressure causes gelatinization of the starches.
I think the biggest difference is that with vacuum sealing you're limited to atmospheric pressure. This method is more like leaving it in the press, while almost totally sealed, and leaky enough for the tobacco juice that leaks out to congeal and seal around the leaky spots, like molasses.
ChinaVoodoo
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Gonna need some time to dry it out
ChinaVoodoo
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Mild smoke as one would expect from the lowest leaves. Burns well. I might make black cavendish out of it.
RoperLegacyWoods
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Thank you for sharing this. I’ve been researching how to make my own rolls because coin is my favorite cut and your method is very doable.
Do you case your leaves first before rolling? If so, how?
ChinaVoodoo
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I have only ever added water. I haven't been scientific about how much is the right amount. There are different ideal moisture levels depending on if you're just making coins and want them to stick together, or if you intend on upping the aging/fermenting. It's easier to get it tighter when its leaning to the dry side, like the leaves in that video.
RoperLegacyWoods
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Thank you for taking the time to answer my questions. I assume that slightly more moisture will encourage aging or fermenting then?
SnuffmeisterUK
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@ChinaVoodoo that carottee looks heavenly, how long did you have it wrapped up before opening?
ChinaVoodoo
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That's correct
1 month(ish) is what I did, and probably the minimum. Edit, minimum for aging. If all you're doing is making coins with tobacco that's already ready, a day may be good enough.
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SnuffmeisterUK
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@ChinaVoodoo what did you notice had changed in the month? More of a fermented vibe? Darker? Fruiter?
My homegrown tobacco is lacking in depth/flavour and Is a little grass-like in its scent (despite colour curing brown) so I actually made two carrots using your technique about 3 weeks ago in the hope it would improve them, although I'm mostly concerned with making snus not smoking.
My homegrown tobacco is lacking in depth/flavour and Is a little grass-like in its scent (despite colour curing brown) so I actually made two carrots using your technique about 3 weeks ago in the hope it would improve them, although I'm mostly concerned with making snus not smoking.
ChinaVoodoo
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It was a big difference. In this case, the tobacco had mostly cured and dried on the plants, and was unaged. Maybe 5% of it was yellow but actually not fully cured. It was pretty grassy. Afterwards, it was mild and uneventful as you would expect with the bottom leaves, but no longer grassy. I made pressure cooker cavendish out of it, and I really like it.
Post in thread 'China Voodoo 2023 Grow Greenwood & Kasturi' https://fairtradetobacco.com/threads/china-voodoo-2023-grow-greenwood-kasturi.11554/post-213849
ChinaVoodoo
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I think it's going to be notably different. Please share your results.
Plinsc
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I twisted a skinny one up and plan to open it up at Christmas time. I’ll let you know how it goes!
SnuffmeisterUK
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Man how can I resist opening them up lol!! I can't wait, here is a pic of my two carrottes with an R+J no.2 for reference.
One is roughly 30% burley, 70% virginia
The other is actually all my mud leaves and suckers I made into a cavendish (using the instant pot recipie on here) then mixed with a little honey and wrapped into a burley leaf. I say cavendish despite the fact I've never smoked a pipe In my life or knowingly smelt cavendish tobacco.
I used your technique but also finished off by wrapping it very very tightly with gardening twine.
One is roughly 30% burley, 70% virginia
The other is actually all my mud leaves and suckers I made into a cavendish (using the instant pot recipie on here) then mixed with a little honey and wrapped into a burley leaf. I say cavendish despite the fact I've never smoked a pipe In my life or knowingly smelt cavendish tobacco.
I used your technique but also finished off by wrapping it very very tightly with gardening twine.
