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RidgeRunner

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I've done extensive research in the GRIN data base and there are no accessions named as to having come from Cuba. There is little doubt, however that there are many that have come originally from Cuba. Further investigation may yield clues as to which one were originally obtained or originally grown from Cuban seed.
 

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RidgeRunner,
Have you examined the pdf documents of the original accession data? This is missing in many of the newest accessions, but the older ones often have critical details, such as where the seed was collected, only in the accession document. This info is not searchable in their clunky database, since some lazy folks (over the decades) entered "Washington, DC" as the source for many foreign accessions. As an example:

PI 112131 (http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/acc/display.pl?1129621) is an unnamed seed from Washington. But when you click on "Original plant inventory data (.pdf)", you find the following:

"112126 to 112194. NICOTIAN A TABACUM L. Solanaceae. Tobacco.
From Mexico. Seeds collected by W. A. Archer, Bureau of Plant Industry. Received September 13, 1935.
Introduced for Department specialists.
112126 to 112128. Bonanza.
112126. No. 3438. Collected August 23, 1935, at Santiago Ixcuintla, Nayarit.
112127. No. 3443. Collected August 24, 1935, at El Nuevo, Nayarit.
112128. No. 3456. Collected August 31, 1935, at Santiago Ixcuintla, Nayarit.
112129. No. 3445. Burley huero. Collected August 24, 1935, at El Nuevo, Nayarit.
112130. No. 3447. Burley negro. Collected August 24, 1935, at El Nuevo, Nayarit.
112131. No. 3458. Cash. Collected August 31, 1935, at Santiago Ixcuintla, Nayarit."


And the list goes on.

If you look at PI 404935, the Genetics and Germplasm Institute, in Beltsville, MD, has donated seed that it says is from "Cuba," but with only that description in the .pdf file.

PI 404951 says it's from Cuba on the detail page, but a look at the accession document (.pdf) indicates "No source data." Very messy stuff.

The only way I know of to locate accessions from Cuba is to examine every accession. If a different source country is indicated, then skip it. If only a source in the US is indicated, then check to see if there is an accession document (.pdf) for that entry. Others indicate only a volume of the accession document, whereas still others have no further info. If only a volume is indicated (There are well over 200 volumes, and some of these are broken into multiple parts, each weighing in at 50+ MB), then you have to go to http://www.ars-grin.gov/npgs/pi_books/scans/vol.html and find the volume, often a hit-or-miss proposition. Once enough of the volume has downloaded, then you can search it for the PI number. It's all extremely tedious.

At one point, I was assembling a new database with all the missing and corrupted data clarified, but became terminally frustrated, and gave up.

So...yes, there are accessions from Cuba. You just have to find them.

Bob

EDIT:
Here are some for starters. They list Cuba as "geocty":
pi 404935 ? Primitive
pi 404951 ? Cigar Filler
pi 405643 'Coroja'. Cuba. Oriental
pi 405645 'No. 6055' Cuba. Oriental
pi 405646 'Criollo'. Cuba. Oriental
pi 405667 'Remedios'. South America. Oriental
pi 405668 'Vuelta (Abajo)'. South America. Oriental
pi 405669 'Little Cuba'. South America. Primitive
pi 408943 'Big Cuban'. United States. ?
 
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Thank you all for your insight-ful replies!

Yesterday I stopped at a convenience store and the Beechnut was $10.49 per bag. That is highway robbery!

I will try to get my plants to yellow, then smoke it a little this winter in my smoker with some apple wood, unless somebody here can tell me why not.

Bigboner, I have some pretty short plants with leaves that big. I am thinking they could each make a pack of cigs.

Thank you Jitterbugdude, I do plan on trying LittleCrittendon from Hudsons next year. Suppose to be very good for chew.

deluxestogie, is it your experience (or anyone elses for that matter) that the Feds just cough up whatever seeds anybody asks for? All I have ever asked for and gotten was apple scions from Geneva.

Chrism, what are you paying for your Redman in OK?

Thanks again all.
I'll have to check. I'm going to say 4-5$ but haven't got some in a while.
 

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That might be a good use for the tops of my plants where the leaves are smaller, thick and very sticky to the touch. I made a sample batch last year to experiment using apple cider and brown sugar{had no molases} using half leaves. turned out really sweet, a little too sweet could definitly be improved on. I believe I over did the brown sugar,try try again lol. I only use it when i'm bow hunting and worried about smoke smell.

I guess black pepper and bacon flavoring with some applewood smoke thrown in might ruin the hunt! But might make tasty chew!

Not sure what the chemicals responsible are, but there is a spicy-woodsy taste in one of my plants that i like. The others just taste sorta "green".
 

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I guess black pepper and bacon flavoring with some applewood smoke thrown in might ruin the hunt! But might make tasty chew!

Not sure what the chemicals responsible are, but there is a spicy-woodsy taste in one of my plants that i like. The others just taste sorta "green".

What kind of tobacco plants are they, sounds like some good chew! Almost sounds like a good jerky seasoning also. ha ha
 

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What kind of tobacco plants are they, sounds like some good chew!
These plants are merely a mix of whatever comprises "Chobies Gold". Nothing uniform about them whatever. Next year I will be growing something actually rated for chew! (while looking for pleasant tasting compounds)
 

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Hello

I am trying to access the links, but the web seems to be down. Do you know if this is temporary? Or is it that it no longer works?

Maxi
 

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Thanks for providing the updated link. I already have my tobacco seeds (I stopped at 12 kinds) but needed to get some heirloom bean seeds. I liked the old listing format better than the new one. Haven't been on the GRIN website since I fled my abusive ex husband in 2014, and couldn't garden until last year, so much of my heirloom pole bean collection was lost. Although GRIN says a bean seed sample is 25 seeds, I never got more than 10, and as few as 5 seeds. Hopefully they're more generous with tobacco seed.
 

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ARS-GRIN no longer provides tobacco seed to individual growers, due to an explosion of abusive requests, since home tobacco growing became more common. Their germ-plasm bank of tobacco seed is currently offered only for research (university-based or verifiable research facility). The tobacco portion of the ARS-GRIN seed bank (as well as its staffing) is no longer supported by federal funding.

Bob
 

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That is sad. Really sad. A big loss. Seeds are invaluable. I mainly got beans from GRIN. I curate, increase, and distribute heirloom tomatoes, beans, and squash. I save lots of seeds. My seed collection fills 3 scrapbook organizers and a big box with 25 years of saved seed. In my first big garden last year I grew out 29 tomatoes from up to 17 years ago to renew them. I have about 185 tomato varieties. Tobacco will be added to my collection after this year's garden. I foresee buying another organizer.
 

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If you are hoping to acquire tobacco seed for yourself, I would suggest that you purchase it from a reputable retailer. Within Europe, you can obtain seed from


From Ukraine:

For either one, use Google Translate, if you need to.

Bob
 

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If you are hoping to acquire tobacco seed for yourself, I would suggest that you purchase it from a reputable retailer. Within Europe, you can obtain seed from


From Ukraine:

For either one, use Google Translate, if you need to.

Bob

I look at them. Thank you Beto
 
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