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Dark Virginian

mwaller

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Did you ever try out one of these Dark Virginian types? Which did/would you choose, and why?

I'm sure there's folks who can share their experience with dark Virginian type tobaccos. I have none. I am already planning next year (I know I'm not the only one). Next year will be nothing but air cured varieties. I was thinking of Goose Creek Red as one of them because I like the name, how it can be pin pointed down to originating from a specific place, the look of the plant, and how skychaser describes it not only as a pipe tobacco, but also usable as a cigar wrapper.

Has anyone compared the three varieties from Northwood - Goose Creek, Shirey, and Stag Horn?
 

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I just found this thread and got some baccy from Larry and I would call his orangey a dark Virginia tobacco. I am not sure what seed he uses. When shredded to me its a natural red.
 

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Based on my tasting experience, GCR tastes nothing like a burley. I may have already said this, but to me it tastes like a “double” Virginia: more intense flavour, higher in nicotine (well, my grow at least). Plant form, signs of ripeness and smell while kilning completely different from the burleys I’ve grown. But I’m no genetist for sure. Just my 0.02 $

pier
 

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That study looks at an isolated, specific genetic similarity. It would be like categorizing vegetables by their color alone, or a person's ethnicity by the shape of the toenail on the 3rd toe. A telling comment is their "surprise" that Xanthi, Basma and Izmir don't seem to be related. Doh!

Research published by CORESTA is usually of high quality. I believe this study is properly done, and interesting. But the authors' invalid deductions from the results fall outside the bounds of what the data they reported can support.

So, Goose Creek Red has a toenail shape on its 3rd toe that is similar to that of the burley they evaluated.

Bob
 

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Based on my tasting experience, GCR tastes nothing like a burley. I may have already said this, but to me it tastes like a “double” Virginia: more intense flavour, higher in nicotine (well, my grow at least). Plant form, signs of ripeness and smell while kilning completely different from the burleys I’ve grown. But I’m no genetist for sure. Just my 0.02 $

pier
Sounds like one I'd enjoy in my pipe ... thanks! :)

-Darin
 

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The organic flue cured tobacco I buy online is goose creek red and it’s delicious smells like raisins
 
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I think that is were there are different tastes involved. I have learned never to trust a Americans opinion on a Canadian cigarette especially a reference to Virginia. I am happy Don got Canadian leaf the top grade is thick yellow leaves and is sweet. Sorry guys there is just that certain taste that is wonderful to us guys up north that Americans don't like and the same vice versa
 

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That's ok burge. We are keeping a close eye on you people in the north, smoking your sweet tobacco and doing Canadian type things:) Kidding of course. Taste tends to be regional and people usually like what they are familiar with, nothing wrong with that. I've tried Mexican and Chinese cigarettes and can't say I cared for either of them. Never have tried Canadian cigarette although I would be happy to give it a try someday. I'm into sweet tobacco on occasions.

Just out of curiosity does anyone have an opinion about how goose creek red compares to staghorn, another dark Virginian, for taste? I've been growing Staghorn this year and it's a fairly robust plant that air cures to a reddish color and seems to have a decent flavor (mine still tastes a little on the young side). I've never tried goose creek red.
 

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I deserved some flack lol. There is uniqueness in taste for sure. So I do like some Chinese cigarettes and have actually had the royal Japanese cigarettes. I liked the Japanese ones. I had no idea till a lot later that the ones I had were a real honor to be given.
 

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I deserved some flack lol. There is uniqueness in taste for sure. So I do like some Chinese cigarettes and have actually had the royal Japanese cigarettes. I liked the Japanese ones. I had no idea till a lot later that the ones I had were a real honor to be given.
Ha, just a little flack for fun but no worries from me. I'm afraid I'm guilty of inadvertently offending a few people on a regular basis and keeping the moderators awake on ocassioan although most of it is purely unintentional;)

I wonder if the Japanese cigs had any of the Japanese tobacco @ChinaVoodoo was growing.

I spent about three years growing up in Hawaii and the Japanese influence was huge there. Where I lived the japanese ran the schools (very strict), the karate classes (even more strict) and about half the population was Japanese or Korean. The other half was mostly native Hawaiian. I was a bit young to be smoking any Japanese cigs at that point in my life though and I'm sure I must have missed out on some good sake too.
 
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