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dburrell3871

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My first kit from WLT came today. Man do they really hook you up. Well packaged, so many extras can't wait to give this a go. I am missing two things as far as I can tell. A cap cutter, mold and a tiny container for the glue. Cap cutter I'm going to run to the hardware store and get a pipe fitting, mold is currently printing on my ender 3 but idk what to use small enough for the glue. Any suggestions are appreciated
 

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I use the small boxes of creams (with lids), which my wife empties with zeal. I wash them very well, so that there is no smell left. ....
-Have you ever seen a small box with some face cream around here?
I answer with a question;
-I think I had some small money in my overalls. Did you see them?
That being said, no one has any more pretensions ... So look around the bathroom (don't say you know me).
 

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I use the small boxes of creams (with lids), which my wife empties with zeal. I wash them very well, so that there is no smell left. ....
-Have you ever seen a small box with some face cream around here?
I answer with a question;
-I think I had some small money in my overalls. Did you see them?
That being said, no one has any more pretensions ... So look around the bathroom (don't say you know me).
I like that idea. I thought about this part to late and have no empty ones. However I found a little parmesan cheese container from pizza hut that I think will serve me well for now. Now the only trouble I see with it is that it's not air tight will that be a problem?
 

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One more question comes to mind right now where I am in upstate NY it's freezing so we have the heat cranked. Our RH in the house is 31% I've got two humidifiers going now and some pots of water on the heat vents. Is there a certain RH in the room I'm rolling in I should shoot for before opening the packs of leaves or am I over thinking this?
 

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One more question comes to mind right now where I am in upstate NY it's freezing so we have the heat cranked. Our RH in the house is 31% I've got two humidifiers going now and some pots of water on the heat vents. Is there a certain RH in the room I'm rolling in I should shoot for before opening the packs of leaves or am I over thinking this?
Definition of “case.”
Storage recommendations.


You can open your bags anywhere. How and where you store them after opening will depend on humidity. You will need at least a little moisture for the aging process to continue. No biggie if they get dry, just rehydrate for rolling and handling. If they get too moist, the leaf can mold.
 

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Definition of “case.”
Storage recommendations.


You can open your bags anywhere. How and where you store them after opening will depend on humidity. You will need at least a little moisture for the aging process to continue. No biggie if they get dry, just rehydrate for rolling and handling. If they get too moist, the leaf can mold.
Ok storage I have covered got my dry box ready and my humidor is ready when the sticks are I was just worried about the leaves drying out while rolling. Thanks
 

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Ok storage I have covered got my dry box ready and my humidor is ready when the sticks are I was just worried about the leaves drying out while rolling. Thanks
You will want to start hydrating the wrappers you plan to use in advance. They will need to be in higher case and prepped earlier so the veins can relax, especially if you want an aesthetically pleasing cigar. There are various ways to do that. webmost made a conditioning chamber:


Some pull out a few leaves, mist with water, place in a separate bag and keep an eye on them. I’ve occasionally left wrapper leaves outside in the nighttime humid air and kept an eye on them next day while they dry back down.

I mostly smoke cigarettes and roll the occasional cigar once in a blue moon. My method would be different from someone that rolls cigars regularly. I roll one, smoke one, and they are ugly as sin but smoke and draw well. There are different ways to arrive at the same place, play around, have fun, and figure out what works best for you.
 

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The most important thing is the get your leaves to proper case before you start rolling. As @Knucklehead mentions that is especially important for the wrapper and binder. I usually prep those a day ahead to high case and let them relax overnight. When you roll only take out the leaves for one cigar to keep the rest from drying out. You will probably need to lightly mist them occasionally with a water bottle if the air is very dry.

For glue an empty pill bottle works in a pinch, or a ramakin stored in a ziploc bag.
 

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Little caviar jars make perfect glue containers.

RH60-70 is a perfect rolling environment.
I was gonna say that! Also pimento jars, wasabi powder jars, and similar condiment or spice jars. A little weight helps. It doesn't scoot around and run away from your fingertip. You can hot melt glue it to a small piece of steel or wood or whatever, too.
 

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My first kit from WLT came today. Man do they really hook you up. Well packaged, so many extras can't wait to give this a go. I am missing two things as far as I can tell. A cap cutter, mold and a tiny container for the glue. Cap cutter I'm going to run to the hardware store and get a pipe fitting, mold is currently printing on my ender 3 but idk what to use small enough for the glue. Any suggestions are appreciated
I just recently started rolling, too, and I got my start from one of their leaf kits. I had an ulu that I used for a chaveta, then started using a pizza wheelie cutter. Now I am using this cutter:

I have an 80 ring gauge flat cutter that I use in lieu of a tuck cutter. That ought to handle anything I can throw at it. A raggedy foot slips right in there without hanging up and pulling on the wrapper. My tableta is 24" x 24", 1/4" thick acrylic. I like how a wet wrapper leaf clings to it when I stretch it out. I initially used a piece of copper tubing to cut caps but now I just leave a bit of extra wrapper and give it a twist. Gonna cut it off anyway, before smoking, right? Still experimenting to find what I like best for glue. I started out with some blunt glue but it wasn't tacky enough. Didn't try pectin cause I read it gives a taste that some find objectionable. Tried gum arabic and it works nice. I just mixed up some xanthan gum and I used a dab to repair a cigar and it looks good, so I will use it next time I roll. I have some Bermacoll coming with my next bakky order. The blunt glue came in a little glass jar and I reuse that as my rolling glue container. I don't have a mold and I was gonna make a wooden one with my router, but decided I don't need it. The problem I see with a mold is you are making a bundle already bundled and bindered, conform to a precise shape and size, for no good reason. I prefer to let the bundle dictate its own size according to how much leaf is there and how tight or loose it is rolled. Even the shape. If it comes out a little like a pyramid or a perfecto, then so be it. If there is an empty spot near the end, well, that gets chopped off. Once I have my seco filler around my slower burning stuff, I really don't like to open it back up and disturb things unless I have to. Anyway, no molds for me.

Molds do help to smooth the surface of a cigar, but you can get the same effect by rolling up the bundle in some stiff paper. Or by using a DIY or store bought rolling/bundling machine. I just put a little tension on the belt and leave a weight holding the roller down for a few minutes, then roll it a quarter turn or so and repeat, then twice again if I am picky. A super smooth surface looks nice but it doesn't have a termendous effect on the burn, so I don't worry my brains too much about how purty it is. The main thing is a good draw and a good burn. The pretty ones get smoked and sometimes offered in public. Home smokes don't have to look like $30 sticks.

Some guys use the plastic bags from WLT orders as rolling mats by duck taping the end to the bench, and using a dowel or plastic pipe for the roller. This works surprisingly well, because it is so easy to feel for the soft spots in the bundle. A bundling mat or machine is really nice for rolling all your scraps into a cigar. Bits and ends of leaf can be hard to keep rounded up and herded together, when bundling totally by hand.

One of my first mistakes was moistening the filler too much. There is a big difference between leaves making a rustling sound (that's good) and crackling sound. (that's bad.) Also keeping wrapper too wet for too long. Now I damp it down enough to make it pliable the day before, and on rolling day I wet it down some more to where it will stretch a bit, an hour before I start to roll. If I don't use all the most wrapper and binder that day, it is usually fine for rolling the next day. However, after 3 or 4 days I found my wrappers were getting little spots of mold. I washed them off under the faucet and blotted them dry with paper towels and used them right away.

Here in New Orleans, cigars dry slowly. I don't even bother with them at all until they are 3 or 4 days out on the bench.
 
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