Huffen'Snuff 2024 Grow Log

[deluxestogie]

Has anyone ever ever got seeds from (Northwest Tobacco Seeds)

They are the best you are likely to find. This page offers more reasonable quantities:

Northwood Seeds

Bob

 

[PressuredLeaf]

June 17th: I put the plants out today under 2 ply of greenhouse shade cloth from 11:30AM to 3:30PM. When I brought them back in they may have been in the shade from 45min to an hour. My airstream points dead due South, the plants were against the east side in solid shade at 3:30pm, and there was just a hint of wilt on only one. I'm assuming that/SCRATCH THAT/ NO WILT, one leaf was broken almost completely off and it was the only sign of wilt. They are back in the A.C. under the LEDs turned down on low now. The dryer air conditioned conditions (higher VPD/vapor pressure deficit will have them pulling nutrients for a while tonight, for their post workout recovery. Then the LEDs will be off a lil' early tonight for them to rest up before tomorrow.

Would anyone know how many hours dark period triggers the bloom in Tobacco? I have read they are short day.

Has anyone ever ever got seeds from (Northwest Tobacco Seeds), they have an incredible variety, at a great price, I wonder how vigorous the seeds are? 15$usd a gram, they claim are like 10,000 seeds, plus 4$flat rate for shipping. $3.50 gets 4-500 seeds. Just wonder how old the seeds are? They are certified organic for those that want to know.

Eva One have a great Day/Night. My Aztec are looking great, and there's no way my LED has enouf room for 60 seedlings at this age. But they sure look great. Rob

I can vouch many times over for NWT seeds. The gentleman who runs it, Paul, is a member here. His user name is Slychaser I believe.

I always get my seeds within a week, and have always had excellent germination with them. I highly recommend NWT seeds for great seeds quality and excellent shipping/communication cation.

 

[Knucklehead]

The gentleman who runs it, Paul, is a member here. His user name is Slychaser I believe.

@skychaser

 

[Huffen'Snuff]

I am glad to say I ordered seeds from skychaser @ North West Tobacco Seeds, today,: Bursa
KY17
GC1
Isleta Pueblo
Punche
Perique

 

[Huffen'Snuff]

Deluxestogie, what kind of corn do you grow for pipe cobs? I love grabbing a fresh cob everytime I try a new pipe baccy, and I also make pipes, but don't know what plant will make a large enough cob.

 

[deluxestogie]

The best cobs for pipe making come from field corn varieties, sometimes referred to as "dent-corn" (as opposed to sweet corn and popcorn varieties). For a few years, aristocob.com used to sell MM seeds (mystery variety), but that site has vanished from the web.

Even with MM corn, only about one or two cobs out of 20 plants are truly fat pipe cobs. I have made pipes from all of the varieties listed below.

• Missouri Meerschaum (seed no longer for sale)
• Kentucky Boone County
• Hickory Cane
• Bloody Butcher
• Tennessee Red Cob
• McCormacks Blue Giant
• Virginia White Gourdseed
• Oaxaca Green
• Country Gentleman

Some were short smokes, with a ½-inch bore. Others got up to a generous ¾-inch bore. For a truly durable, home-made cob pipe, it's worth the trouble of boring out the soft bottom, and replacing it with a wooden plug. I usually use a section of un-dyed bamboo tomato stake for a stem, though you can certainly go fancy.

Bob

 

[Huffen'Snuff]

The best cobs for pipe making come from field corn varieties, sometimes referred to as "dent-corn" (as opposed to sweet corn and popcorn varieties). For a few years, aristocob.com used to sell MM seeds (mystery variety), but that site has vanished from the web.

Even with MM corn, only about one or two cobs out of 20 plants are truly fat pipe cobs. I have made pipes from all of the varieties listed below.

• Missouri Meerschaum (seed no longer for sale)
• Kentucky Boone County
• Hickory Cane
• Bloody Butcher
• Tennessee Red Cob
• McCormacks Blue Giant
• Virginia White Gourdseed
• Oaxaca Green
• Country Gentleman

Some were short smokes, with a ½-inch bore. Others got up to a generous ¾-inch bore. For a truly durable, home-made cob pipe, it's worth the trouble of boring out the soft bottom, and replacing it with a wooden plug. I usually use a section of un-dyed bamboo tomato stake for a stem, though you can certainly go fancy.

Bob

Thanks so much, Walmart out my way sells bamboo straws cheap that make excellent stems. 1/20 eh?, Wonder if it would be worth breeding a variety? I usually go all out researching things , like what conditions would cause fatter cobs, or maybe cheating like a bonsai cob, maybe inserting a polished stainless taper within the cob while it's growing. But after all that it would prolly be easier to just grow 20 times your target quantity in all reality. Lol and all that brainstorming would just have been for practice sake.
I have added briar wood plugs in the bottom of cobs. But I suppose you could just let the cake build on any none toxic wood, see I overthink everything, Deluxestogie. Thanks for the shout-out, I was curious about that question for a while.
You know Vermont Freehand, Steve Norse sells Cobs on his website.

 

[Huffen'Snuff]

Day 69: Today I finally got my last 3 plants out. It was a lot of work , I used compost from the local recycling center, I hand dug a cubic foot or two, and mixed the local compost with the living soil from my yard and removed all the dirt from the grass sod roots, to try and use the soil inoculate the mix with natural local mycorrhizae found on my yards grass roots. The best garden soil I made a while back was from feeding grass clippings to local earthworms, and using the castings, I dug out a large hole and lined it with heavy poly ethylene so the window A.C. would drop condensate on the P.E. with gravel on it, under the soil. This way it would carry the water as far as possible feeding all the Jamaican pepper plants on it. I put reflective steel roofing on the ground south of garden to reflect sunlight light back up into the canopy. It was over 7 years ago that they grew auto flowered primaries as big as my arm, you see, I snapped the tops and left em' hanging so each one grew 5 huge primary's. That was by far the best locally sourced live soil I have ever made. I just took care of the soil, and the soil took care of the garden.
These days I only grow non-wacko tobacco, not the Jamaican varieties any longer, the no-till soil just did better than any other approach. Keeping it natural allowed the plant to pick and choose the components of nutrients it wanted, when it wanted. Using the salt based hydro nutrients force fed the plant whatever you applied, that's why I'm keeping the nutrients super simple, aka the MaxiGrow. There was a saying called Keep It Simple Stupid, there was a grower on YouTube that even used no-till living soil indoors under LEDs, feeding the garden earth worm casting teas etc. instead of forcing synthetics into the plants.

I will need to figure out the cheapest blossom bags becouse I have to prevent cross pollination, since I have the Limonka and Aztec Rusticas, I will let two of them cross just to experiment, but I won't give those seeds out.

Thanks peeps, have a good night.

 

[Huffen'Snuff]

My Aztec has flower buds on it should I Top now?

If topped, will the Aztec still flower again for seed production later?

The Lemon Rustica doesn't even look close to bloom yet so nothing needs bagged just yet. I presume, there is no tobacco cultivated for 20 miles, atleast.

The Aztec seed came from Victory, is there a chance that the seed could show multiple phenotypes?

 

[deluxestogie]

Nicotiana tabacum seed (~500 microns) can occasionally end up in the wrong place, regardless of the source, since even a minimal electrostatic charge can make a seed jump locations. Nicotiana rustica seed (~1000 microns) is less likely to do that, but it's still possible.

All named tobacco varieties are supposed to be homozygous, so any deviant phenotype may be due to environmental factors. [The key word here is, "supposed".]

I don't have enough experience with N. rustica to offer useful advice on topping.

Bob

 

[Huffen'Snuff]

Thanks, I'm going to bag one or two and top the rest, this way they would remain pure.
I figure if bagged I know there not cross pollinated.

 

[johnny108]

After topping, Rusticas need 30-45 days for maximum nicotine concentration.
With Aztec, this doesn’t mean that the leaves will be ripe, and easy to cure. Leaving them longer than 45 days won’t help, and I’ve found that sun curing them is the best way to get the green out of them, and get the best flavor from them.

 

[Huffen'Snuff]

Wish they were taller, maybe they were not young enough when I put them outside. I have a feeling Aztec is a variety that timing is critical. Or do they continue to grow after flowering, maybe they stretch the internodal length? They are not much taller than 12" or 14" inches. Never seen one grow through there stages, maybe they are on schedule, IDK. I will post a pick when I go to bag a couple. I probably don't need to bag them, I doubt anyone within a hundred miles even knows what a Rustica plant is.

 

[Huffen'Snuff]

After topping, Rusticas need 30-45 days for maximum nicotine concentration.
With Aztec, this doesn’t mean that the leaves will be ripe, and easy to cure. (Leaving them longer than 45 days won’t help), and I’ve found that sun curing them is the best way to get the green out of them, and get the best flavor from them.

Leaving them longer than 45 days won't help, what Nicotine or Ripeness?

 

[johnny108]

Leaving them longer than 45 days won't help, what Nicotine or Ripeness?

Nicotine only really develops after topping, and it takes 45 days to max out. Aztec can get to about 10% nicotine.
Ripening leaves on regular tobacco will get an alligator skin texture, and the green will fade by itself. Rusticas don’t do this, except for a few old Soviet “yellow” varieties.
Putting the picked leaves in the sun will fade the color, and improve the flavor of Aztec far better than any method I’ve tried.
My experience last year:

My window and balcony: @johnny108

fairtradetobacco.com

 

[Huffen'Snuff]

That's cool, and I can't wait, what have you done with your Aztec, holy smokes, snuff?

 

[johnny108]

That's cool, and I can't wait, what have you done with your Aztec, holy smokes, snuff?

I’ve turned it into American style chewing tobacco and cigarettes.
One half of a cigarette made a 2-pack/day smoker have to grab the wall to steady himself.
A pinch of my dip is about half or less a pinch of anything that you can buy.
It’s kinda strong.
The “buzz” from Aztec is really quite different from regular tobacco. Instead of the spinning feeling, you get a kind of “constantly falling forward” type of feeing.
It also feels more cerebrally stimulating than anything commercial. I can see why tribal cultures may have used it as an entheogen.

Edit: DON’T restrict water after topping with Rusticas! It kills nicotine production and yield. I watered the day I topped with a full strength blast of triple-20 fertilizer and Epsom salts, then it was just water until harvest. Nicotine was massive, but curing isn’t easy, no matter what.

 

[Huffen'Snuff]

I'm bagging two for seed, and topping 9, I will dose it once more with the MaxiGrow

 

[Huffen'Snuff]

When you bag a plant and use the permethrine, is it safe to smoke?

 

[deluxestogie]

use the permethrine, is it safe to smoke?

Yes. The permethrin is effective in killing insects that are already present in some form, at the time you spray the bud-head, then bag it. Thereafter, the permethrin rapidly breaks down in sunlight.

"When exposed to sunlight, the half-life was 4.6 days [44]. Permethrin degrades rapidly in water, although it can persist in sediments."

EXTOXNET PIP - PERMETHRIN

Bob