Huffen'Snuff 2024 Grow Log

[Huffen'Snuff]

Thanks a lot you guys have been so helpful, sometimes I feel like I'm bugging you guys too much. Thanks and please enjoy the rest of your weekend, Bob and Johnnie

I.O.U. all so much, Rob

 

[Huffen'Snuff]

Man I went poking around in my airstream looking for my Permethrine, and Im pretty sure the heat in there has attracted a hive of honey bees as best as I can tell. I seen ten or 15 bees and they look like either honey bees or yellow jackets, but didn't do the characteristic "dive for the eyes", like the more aggressive yellow jackets do. Seemed more like the pre-occupied honey bee behavior to me. Sounded like there were (alot) in the hood that lets the exhaust out of roof from the propane/a.c./d.c. fridge. I just got a new more modern version of the fridge and atleast it wasn't installed yet.

I hope this doesn't evolve into a new bee keeping hobby, I kind of all ready wished I had more time for reading.

 

[Huffen'Snuff]

I just brought these inside, I was just curious, do you think I could lay a sheet of glass directly on top of fresh picked leaves set on the grass here in the north east, or would that cook em too hot. I'm thinking it would easily get hot enough to kill the enzymes, is that a worry with Rustica/sun curing. I mean I guess they still mature later on, so you need the enzymes? Idk much yet.

These ones here, well the ones on the right were set on cinder blocks, till the wind blew them off the block into the grass. I sort of discovered this accidentally, but it worked pretty well considering some of the foliage was off of Aztecs, and there is not even a hint of green in them.

 

[johnny108]

I did mine on a car dashboard, but it was in cloudy northern Germany. High humidity (80%), never hotter than around 80F.
Looks like you’ve got a system that works.
Maybe threading a needle and thread through the base of the stem, then putting them where you did these, and anchoring the string so they can’t blow away? Laundry clothespins might also work.

 

[Huffen'Snuff]

I like the idea of stitching them together that also works great for drying out mushrooms.

I'm kindal of looking forward to getting enough experience till I can see over the hump in the learning curve.

I'm thinking here the issue is with the humidity being so low that they will flash dry, so it was a blessing that the leaves fell into the grass. After it happened I recalled reading somewhere that someone also used the grass in yard to slow the drying of there Tobacco.

These plants have no chemicals applied to them, and I was think that a little insect pressure may encourage tobacco to grow more nicotine, if it's all time being used as pesticide. Maybe even simulate leaf cutter insects to add Nicotine naturally to the plant.

 

[johnny108]

A Chinese study showed that scratching or trimming leaves to simulate insect pressure, didn’t stimulate nicotine production as well as normal topping. But that study didn’t use Rusticas.
The post-WW2 manual on nicotine production from rusticas showed that kind of spoiling/pampering them produced the most nicotine, especially when topped and left for 45 days after, suckering them the entire time.

 

[Huffen'Snuff]

That's interesting, you've got some serious tobacco knowledge 108! I wonder, they say that the 12-18 inch plant spacing instead of 2-3' spacing, makes the closer spaced Orientals grow smaller more aromatic leaves, I wonder if that means decreased airflow or is it the decreased light that makes the plant retain more of the "smell"? I'm doing some research concerning using orientals for dry "sniff snuff" for scent flavor instead of essential oils from other stuff. I would love to find out how they make the F&T High Dry Toast, there recipe is pretty BAD A$$. I would be happy if I can reproduce that snuff after some experimenting. I always wanted to reproduce KFC chicken. I tried for years and never made chicken exactly right. But, I'm thinking maybe claiming, 11 herbs and spices is to throw ppl off the scent.

I don't think that Fribourg and Treyer/ Wilson's of Sharrow snuff will have to worry about me. I'm not likely to go into a competitive amount of production any ways! I sure do love their High Dry Toast

 

[Huffen'Snuff]

I shouldn't sweat it, I got 500grams of that HDT Snuff delivered to me for 54.00usd on May 11, that stuff is gonna last so long, that making it is not necessary if your only concerned about saving money. It's not worth making for that reason. I don't think I put much of a dent in it yet.

 

[johnny108]

I learned it all from this forum, and some internet searches.
It’s probably root competition: orientals in small containers are the same size as traditionally spaced plants, and they retain the flavor. The flavor compounds are secondary metabolite products, so the plant limits how much it creates. And if the plant is grown with larger spacing, it will get bigger, but the flavor will be diluted. Only so much flavor compounds in the plant. Smaller plant- better flavor.

 

[Huffen'Snuff]

So then packing them in tighter will make even better flavor? I can see some experimenting in my future. What's your favorite 2-3 orientals for flavor, I need to make another seed order. I fertilized my Limonka's and the bagged Aztec plant today, to encourage their seed production. The Limonka is a decent plant, I just need some fine tuning'! I only got small plants, and need some experience with Tobacco. I have a couple to friends that I gave a plant to, and they allowed an Aztec to sucker out, "el' naturel", it was interesting to see it in it's natural form, they have built soils at there house, and that thing was so dang sticky.

 

[johnny108]

My favorites?
Xanthi for the flavor- can’t be beat.
Then Prilep for its sweetness and aroma.
Just grew something I found in Europe called “Baffra Basma”- supposedly similar to pre-WW1 tobaccos in its flavor. I haven’t killed it yet….
You could try, say, growing Xanthi in a 3” pot to see if the “bonsai” version has better flavor, but yields will be pretty low. Might be a good windowsill in winter experiment.
I’ve found orientals do really well in my windows, so once I’ve cleared out all my back up seedlings- I’ll planting some more Xanthi. Maybe Aztec, too. It’s an axingly strong plant with a very different body/mind feel when you use it. If only it would yield more!

 

[Huffen'Snuff]

I have harvested some Aztec, but it got mixed in with the Limonka, next leaves I will keep separated, they both have real sticky tops. I have let all the blossoms on the Lemon, and keep the blossoms pinched off of the Aztec, except for the one Aztec I put the bag on top. So atleast the seeds should be pure. I need to write down those orienturk'to order seeds.

First frost here is oct 21-31, so I guess there is some time yet.

 

[Huffen'Snuff]

Omg, I finally got around to smoking some of this home grown Rustica, and it's not terrible at all!

 

[Huffen'Snuff]

I just can not believe how good it is, and it's got some octane, 1/4 bowl get ya going first thing. I think it taste dang good. This was pre-feed, I hope the last fertilizer dose wasn't a mistake. The top leaves are gonna have more vitamin N, but this Aztec/lemon Rustica has a good feel, it's sort of different, better.

 

[Huffen'Snuff]

I am honestly surprised that my first attempt a growing tobacco for consumption actually resulted in something consumable. And I'm told it's not easy to cure Rustica? I would not have guessed that were the case, sort of gives me some hope. And the commercial stuff must be easily replaceable. I'm still surprised.
I think I had the same reaction when I used to grow the other stuff to smoke, many many years ago.
The replaceability of it with such ease, I mean. (It) being the stuff you traded cash for.

 

[Huffen'Snuff]

I was looking through some seeds I have a couple short season Rusticas a 35 day and a 40 day, and Bursa orien'turk

 

[Huffen'Snuff]

Growing baccy is definitely in my blood now, I don't ever see myself not growing tobacco so long as I still consume it. Is this stuff less bad for your health then the commercially produced tobacco?

 

[Huffen'Snuff]

Okay now I actually hava a small amount of leaves that didn't sun cure properly, they didn't turn yellow orange brown, but stayed green. You see I strayed from my method that works great, I tried fixing something that wasn't broke. These ones are Rustica leaves that remaind green, and are a touch too dry. I may be able to fix the cure, but it would have been easier to just do it right. As I said before, the best sun cure method for my situation/climate. Is to simply set the just picked leaves on cinder blocks till they dried enouf for the wind to blow them off of blocks into the short mowed grass. Once the leaves fall into the grass it slows down the drying speed. I call it the, (E.Z.P.Z. Sun Cure) method, almost a neglect tech, if you will, lol. Now all I need to do is use some (word play) to figure out what the letters (E.Z.P.Z.) stand for.

 

[Huffen'Snuff]

Season1-Episode2-Day 1:
I started two whole 6-packs of Bursa, and
the 5-pack has one cell each GC1-KY17-Isleta Pueblo-Punche- (NWTSeeds.com's 2024 Perique, "this one has roots all the way back to the Natives of the St.James Parish area") "all of today's seeds are all from NWTS.com actually",
skychaser is a good businessman, his smaller 3.50usd packs are probably a hundred acres worth of seeds, (take with a grain of salt, I don't actually know what I'm talking about). There are a metric shi't'on worth of seeds in that pack tho.,
Good day-July 19th

 

[johnny108]

Okay now I actually hava a small amount of leaves that didn't sun cure properly, they didn't turn yellow orange brown, but stayed green. You see I strayed from my method that works great, I tried fixing something that wasn't broke. These ones are Rustica leaves that remaind green, and are a touch too dry. I may be able to fix the cure, but it would have been easier to just do it right. As I said before, the best sun cure method for my situation/climate. Is to simply set the just picked leaves on cinder blocks till they dried enouf for the wind to blow them off of blocks into the short mowed grass. Once the leaves fall into the grass it slows down the drying speed. I call it the, (E.Z.P.Z. Sun Cure) method, almost a neglect tech, if you will, lol. Now all I need to do is use some (word play) to figure out what the letters (E.Z.P.Z.) stand for.

These Prilep leaves flash dried green on me, but a week+ on my car dashboard did this:
No idea how they will smoke, but they smell a lot better. For snuff, burning quality isn’t an issue, and my experience with Rustica last year showed serious improvement with no burn problems.