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You might try a little honey and brandy or whisk(e)y (depending on taste) as a casing. maybe a drop or two of vanilla. You'll get the aro of vanilla and honey, very light honey/whiskey/brandy/whatever flavor, plenty of tobacco flavor to power through. only case your black and you'll be all set to please everyone!
OK I've got some black now and can play. I assume you add the above to water but have no idea of concentrations. In adding to the black do I spray it, soak it or what? Too bad you didn't mention Vodka. I've got lots of that both internal and external. :) Has anyone tried beer or malt syrup?

As an addendum to steaming, P-cooking I kept opening the cooker to observe and take pics. I expect the cooking time to drop sharply when I go for a full time closed run. I noticed the leaf on the bottom was darker. Naturally it was wetter down there so I am led to consider boiling. I should get darkening but am concerned that all the flavor/nicotine will leach away. Following this line of thought it suggests to me that the least amount of leaching is with the P-cooker as it produces the least amount of dark fluid.

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ok i'm reporting back, i am now tasting that burley i steamed for only a couple hours, at one point it ran out of water and baked for about 10 minutes.

anyway i opened the bag and it smelled of sweet tobacco. i mixed a bit into my normal blend (bright leaf and spearhead) and it added body and flavor, will try it straight later.
 

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If you can find it, you'll love it. It's $27.99 /fifth (750ml) for me to buy it here at BevMo or Total Wine and More (booze warehouses!!!!)
 

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OK I've got some black now and can play. I assume you add the above to water but have no idea of concentrations. In adding to the black do I spray it, soak it or what? Too bad you didn't mention Vodka. I've got lots of that both internal and external. :) Has anyone tried beer or malt syrup?
John


John, I went with whiskey because I like the flavor of it. I don't think that the vodka would do much flavor wise, as it is distilled to be neutral in flavor. I tried it with water, and without, and just eyeballed my measurements. for a sandwich baggie full of Black cavendish, my best results came by mixing a tsp of orange blossom honey (my favorite variety) with about 1/8 cup of the whiskey. I put it in a spray bottle, misted the tobacco evenly, and put it in the baggie over night. I mashed most of the air out of the bag before sealing it. next day, open the bag and dump out the tobacco. let it dry to your preferred case, and enjoy! I dumped the leftover honey/whiskey mix on some Ice cream and "disposed of it properly"
 

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Well after ten hours in the colander It stayed a deep brown. After spending the night drying on a hanger i have it under a press. The other half was quite annoyed by it all. as she had to smell the process, ha ha , And thought i would have had a kilo or so in the colander but she ok now and is begrudging in my hobby,
 

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I've just had the pleasure of sampling and comparing johnlee1933's steamed and pressure-cooked (PC) black Cavendish. You've hit the mark, John.

Both taste like undoctored black Cavendish, though the PC version has a little more flavor, and a somewhat fuller aroma. Both have a bit of an edge on the tongue, suggesting that the MD 609 may have needed a little more aging prior to going into the cooker. Of course, every crop is different.

Also, both have less body than my black Cavendish, which was made from fully sun-grown BB MD 609 that I cooked in March. So it had shed-aged at least 6 months.

I took the liberty to make up a pipe blend: 1 part johnlee PC black Cavendish; 1 part 1 y/o Turkish (Izmir Ozbas); 1 part flue-cured Virginia (Silk Leaf). My shredding was careless, but it burned well in the pipe. The taste is that of a Turkish/Virginia blend, with the amperage cranked down a notch.

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JL Oriental Blend 1

So, hats off to you, John. My next black Cavendish batch will be 6 hours in the pressure cooker. Tomorrow, I'll add some FmGrowit Perique and some fire-cured Shirazi to the JL Oriental Blend 1, and see what I get. If it's smokable, I send it to you, John.

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Thanks for the review Bob. Glad you liked it. The pressure cooker was easier to do and I put the PC vent close to my exhaust hood to keep the smell down to a manageable level. If I ever do it again I think besides de-ribbing I'll make the pieces of leaf smaller or figure a way to fold them so I can get more in each batch. I think a colander full would give me all I'll ever need and maybe at bit for friends.

I'm not much of a pipe smoker but I would like a taste of the pipe blend if you get something you like.

John
 

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A follow-up on technique

Several weeks ago, I pressure cooked a batch of MD 609 (from BigBonner). I trimmed the edges of a disposable pizza pan (so it would fit inside the large, canning-size pressure cooker), and punctured it with small holes.

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In order to keep the tobacco from soaking in liquid, the pizza pan was supported by a stack of metal objects inside the pressure cooker.

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The leaf was first stemmed, and folded into thirds, so that it would fit inside the cooker. I firmly stacked about 16 stemmed leaves, and rested it on the pizza pan.

The cooker was running at 16 psi for 5 hours. I initially began with 2 cups of water in the cooker, and discovered (by the waning of the hissing sound) that another 2 cups was needed about every 2 hours. Since the leaf was supported over 6" above the bottom, I could have added 6 cups to start with, but it would then have required a longer time to reach pressure, and I wanted to monitor progress along the way. Each time the cooker needed to be opened, I removed it from the heat, then tipped the pressure regulator weight to entirely vent the pressure before attempting to open it.

The cooking aroma was...well...who cares? No spouse here.

At 5 hours, some of the leaf was dark black, while some was only a dark brown. At no time did the leaf sit in liquid. The remaining water in the cooker was only slightly brown tinged, so little of the leaf alkaloid was removed. (The cooker and the included metal supports were relatively easy to clean. Due to its fragility, I did not scrub the pizza pan.)

After cooking, I placed the soggy leaf onto a baking sheet in a warm (below 150ºF) oven, and checked it every 10 minutes. It required about 20 minutes to dry down to a dry but mostly flexible state.

Below is a small, representative sample of the whole leaf strip.

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I scrunched the leaf as though I were compressing filler for a cigar, then closely shredded it with my Khun Rocoh Kulu to a medium width pipe shred.

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In proper case, the black Cavendish burns well, and has a subdued though pleasant flavor and aroma. A pipeful packs quite a punch, so all the nicotine is still there. I find that I enjoy it straight, in a pipe, more than any commercial Black Cavendish I've tried. A single whole strip blended into cigar filler broadens the flavor profile, and merges well with cigar aromas.

I used it in a pipe blend to make a delightful English style mixture. ["Parts," below, are out of a total of 16, so it can be directly converted to ounces required to mix up a pound.]
  • VA Bright (flue-cured) ~4 parts
  • Black Cavendish ~3 parts
  • Perique (pressure processed, from FmGrowit) ~3 parts
  • Shirazi (dark fire-cured) ~3 parts
  • Xanthi-Yaka (air-cured and kilned) ~3 parts
Although this mixture doesn't have the intensity of Latakia, the dark-fired Shirazi does give it a distinct smokiness. I would asses this mixture as a tasty, medium-strength, well balanced English pipe blend.

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SUMMARY:
  1. pressure cooking 5 to 6 hours gets the job done
  2. keeping the leaf out of standing liquid (subject only to the steam) preserves the nicotine
  3. drying down gently, and not toasting, seems to help retain the leaf's flavor and aroma

Bob
 

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With the exception of timing (I was fussing) all of this matches my experience. I went a bit longer because I thought it all had to be black. I wonder if a more "bitey" leaf would make a different Cavendish? Now that I have a couple of pipes and most of the tobaccos listed I might try the mixture given. It sounds good. What do you pipe smokers think? -·-
 

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Here's a mad idea to blow out of the water ;): Why not mix up your english pipe blend by weight of whole leaf and then cook the whole lot to cavendish? With the steam flowing around and the pressure it seems as if it *might* be conducive to mingling the flavours much as kilning a combined brick in a press would?
Might loose some flavour but that would then make a good entry level English blend for new pipe smokers no?
 

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Here's a mad idea to blow out of the water ;): Why not mix up your english pipe blend by weight of whole leaf and then cook the whole lot to cavendish? With the steam flowing around and the pressure it seems as if it *might* be conducive to mingling the flavours much as kilning a combined brick in a press would?
Might loose some flavour but that would then make a good entry level English blend for new pipe smokers no?
I think it would remove too much flavor. I smoked some pure unflavored Cavendish I made from Maryland 609 and it didn't taste good by itself. But it was great in a blend with fuller flavored types.
 

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I started my batch of Black cavendish this evening, using Maryland 609, huehuetenango,and perique. I took pictures of the leaves before destemming to compare colors after I'm done. I am using a dutch oven on a propane burner outdoors with a pie pan perforated and sitting above the water by bending to make a little oblong to control height.
 

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This was started at 7;30 pm and taken out to drain at 4;00 am. I had to refill water three times and experimented on amount of heat. The last hour I cranked it up a bit. I started leaving lid open a crack but soon realized by leaving shut steam still escapes when needed.

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Left to right; huehuetenango,maryland 609,perique

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Apparatus for steaming,Dutch kettle on propane fish fryer at time of removal from steam

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Leaves in same order left to right

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Leaves ready for press
 

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How much nic. do you lose.

The maryland and hht were lugs so probably low in nicotine anyway but the perique was mids. I was surprised that all I have left on my maryland is 2 or 3 hands of lugs. Will be growing alot more this year.
 

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Bob, I got my hands on a 16 qt. pressure cooker. I'm considering running another batch. Do you think carefully chosen leaf halves, steamed, would make a good, dark wrapper? If so, what varieties would you choose? Thanks
 

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I'm finding that the deeper the color of the leaf that goes in, the blacker it comes out. As for nicotine loss, it the leaf is not in the water (that is, the waste water at the end of the process is only lightly colored), it still packs the original wallop.

ALSO, I'm no longer pressing the leaf afterwards, since I end up having to rub it out anyway. I bring it down to low case (still flexible), scrunch it into a cigar-like filler bunch, then slice it that way with my kulu (poor man's chaveta). This approach seems to provide a nicer crinkle to the shred.

Bob
 
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