Has anyone ever attempted to make "paper" out of leftover stems and tobacco dust? I'm asking because I'd like to make my smokes as natural as possible, I roll my own but sometimes its really hard to find a piece of leaf, that is easy to work with ( I mostly roll small cigarillos that I inhale)
Making wrapper from tobacco stems
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ChinaVoodoo
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I've been a member for over 8 years and I think it's safe to say nobody has ever done that. Interesting idea.
I've been looking at different teks, on how to make paper from leaves and grass, I'm implying its the same idea, bit I still have a lot of research to do.
In case I experiment first hand I will post something up
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FR2366806A1 - Tobacco waste etc. reconstituted by paper making plant - supplied with fibrous material sepd. from milled liq. paste - Google Patents
A tobacco-based liq. paste is run through a pin disc grinding mill which reduces the cross-section of fibre bundles in the paste. The paste is then put subjected to an extn. process, pref. using filter presses, to separate hydrosol. components from fibrous material. The fibrous material is made...
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To begin with, you need a paper factory.
Actually it is not impossible to do, the cylinders of the pasta stretcher would be an invaluable help, but (in my opinion) the tobacco soaked in so much water, will lose any taste properties. I would pay special attention to the handling of the water that dissolved tobacco alkaloids.
GrowleyMonster
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why not order a quarter pound of Burley or Bright whole leaf, and roll in that? Nothing wrong with rolling a cigarillo in whole leaf. If you want a really mild wrapper, try gently washing a half leaf or two, and let them slowly dry to case, under a towel. If there is enough space between veins, just cut sections out between them for your wrappers. Otherwise, cut your wrapper from near the margin of the leaf, where veins are thin, roll with veins in toward the center, and turn so that they are parallel to the cigarillo. Roll just like a tiny cigar, starting at the foot, spiral style. Or feed your wrapper into a standard cigarette rolling machine, with chopped filler. You will want some cigar glue. You can use gum arabic or any food grade adhesive or thickener, or order cigar glue packaged for cigar rolling. I have rolled some very skinny cheroot style cigars and I don't inhale, but if I used maybe a virginia/burley/oriental blend for filler, I probably could.
BristolBaccy
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Good shape to use here:
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A possibly stupid idea.
What if I used pipe tobacco for short filler in a cigarillo sized cigar? Goos bad or ugly? Ps im not a smoker, nevee smoked a cigar, but do smoke a pipe on occasion.
Tried that, and can't manage to get it nice, I'll go with the classic way, better turnoutGood shape to use here:
A possibly stupid idea.
What if I used pipe tobacco for short filler in a cigarillo sized cigar? Goos bad or ugly? Ps im not a smoker, nevee smoked a cigar, but do smoke a pipe on occasion.
A decade ago or so, I did a 'perique' cure with some air-cured YTB burley, ended up with a brick that was too difficult to shred-to-blend with my regular cigarette tobaccos. Then I tried a different approach - put the perique-brick in the kiln (122-128 degree & high-RH) for a few weeks, until the brick got saturated, and I could separate individual leaf easily. This leaf was extremely thin, but elastic.
I cut this perique-leaf into wet rectangles to fit my thumb roller. Filled the thumb roller with my regular cigarette blend, added the perique-wrapper leaf, used a cigar-glue to hold it together., then dried these cigarillos. Absolutely, the most unique and best smoking cigarillo I've ever had. Ended up rolling a few hundred. I still have some for special occasions, and to share with some cigar smoking friends.
Note of caution -- This thin perique-leaf tends to crack or split when dried. If the leaf is cut large enough to double-wrap the cigarillo, problem solved.
Also, the cigar-glue gets all over the thumb roller. You have to toothbrush clean the thumb roller with water about every half dozen rolls.
Sometime, I'll probably roll more of these cigarillos, with regular cured leaf. I just dread messing with using cigar glue.
I cut this perique-leaf into wet rectangles to fit my thumb roller. Filled the thumb roller with my regular cigarette blend, added the perique-wrapper leaf, used a cigar-glue to hold it together., then dried these cigarillos. Absolutely, the most unique and best smoking cigarillo I've ever had. Ended up rolling a few hundred. I still have some for special occasions, and to share with some cigar smoking friends.
Note of caution -- This thin perique-leaf tends to crack or split when dried. If the leaf is cut large enough to double-wrap the cigarillo, problem solved.
Also, the cigar-glue gets all over the thumb roller. You have to toothbrush clean the thumb roller with water about every half dozen rolls.
Sometime, I'll probably roll more of these cigarillos, with regular cured leaf. I just dread messing with using cigar glue.
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GrowleyMonster
Creator of the Imperfecto
Maybe pre-glueing the edge of the wrappers ahead of time, letting the glue dry a bit, and then moistening the dried gum just like a cigarette paper would work better? That should help keep the machine clean longer.
GonzoAcres
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Its kinda wild to me that this isn't a more commonly attempted thing, considering the make up of commercial cigarettes is made with nearly 50% of this reconstituted tobacco paper and has been for 40+ years or so.. Granted its presumable that the small scale tobacco growers and roll your own folks are seeking a more quality product than what is available commercially, but certainly there are some that are doing it purely for economic reasons (which i don't think many people who have gone down this road would suggest is a viable reason to do it, if you are already buying the cheapest most economical commercial tobacco products atleast, purely economically I can't imagine being able to produce a pound of cured, aged, .08mm shredded tobacco for the $20 it costs to buy a bag of the cheap stuff) That being said making your own recon tobacco paper seems like a fairly natural thought progression for someone trying to get the most out of their growing efforts, I personally think it would be next to impossible without many years of effort to replicate the additives that tobacco companies add back to the recon, because everything I've read is pretty clear that turning the tobacco into pulp essentially strips it of anything that makes tobacco desirable, which is then used as a blank slate for the companies to paint with the 100 years of research into chemistry and consumer taste tests etc
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