Marlboro Duplication

[istanbulin]

There's a Burley casing recipe I shared in an other thread. This is the document where I took it from (tobaccodocuments.org).

IMO, Marlboro duplication may be a dream of most of the home growers as well as other cigarette producers. So, RJR made a R&D about it. This one is (was) a secret document



You know the Burley casing recipe, here it's again.



Blend analysis of Marlboro cigarettes according to dates.



And according to the R&D reports, these are the best blends; 16, 20, 21, 22.










Here is the full article.

 

[deluxestogie]

It's interesting that to duplicate a Marlboro, you have to add ~35% non-tobacco leaf. I believe that "expanded" represents stems that have been rolled-out flat, then expanded by pneumatic decompression (like the process used to make many breakfast cereals).

Bob

 

[istanbulin]

It's interesting that to duplicate a Marlboro, you have to add ~35% non-tobacco leaf. I believe that "expanded" represents stems that have been rolled-out flat, then expanded by pneumatic decompression (like the process used to make many breakfast cereals).

Bob

In 22nd page of the article they explained the whole process of the expanded tobacco, I think they used leaves not stems. Because "stem" section of the blend has 0% value. They pressurized the tobacco with gasses (carbondioxide, ammonia, super heated steam, etc.). I don't know the aim of this process but I'm sure that producing a cigarette really needs qualified engineering applications, also it's a real multidisciplinary approach.

 

[Boboro]

The last one I smoked a properly cased dog turd would be a good duplication.

 

[SmokesAhoy]

This is an awesome thread because when I looked at it(phone didn't list the poster name) I just figured it was another new person asking the same question. Now we have a perfect thread to direct people to the next time it's asked

 

[leverhead]

The thread title alone should make a bump in the site stats and with the content... I'm usually wrong. istanbulin, I'm impressed! I've found that site to be hard to search. The sheet might be junk, but the top dressing with an extract of Anise and coriander might be interesting. It's an interesting read that looks like RJR spent a fair amount of money on. It shows pretty well how complex a production cigarette can get, including the junk.

 

[leverhead]

I think they used leaves not stems. Because "stem" section of the blend has 0% value.

I read an article somewhere about that in RYO tobaccos, it brings the filled weight of a cigarette down, it also burns real fast.

 

[Boboro]

It is a great post and I use some of that stuff in my caseing and I dont think they were always that bad. But now I dont know why anyone would want to smoke any thing that was as nastyas that.

 

[Randy]

Yea great post..the thing stands out to me was the amount of burley in the mixes?? alot more than I would have guessed I know there probly no-way of knowing.just wondering what was the most likely varitey of each.. like the Turkish? the Burley? etc

Randy

 

[SmokesAhoy]

Big B would know for sure but I was under the impression we were the only ones that care about strain. Big tobacco buys "burley" it's up to the farmer to decide which will grow better in his field.

 

[Randy]

Yea makes alot sense Smokes,but im betting theres probly few "common" strains of burley that most farmers grow

 

[SmokesAhoy]

Yeah, low converter versions of the same stains we grow, less taste but if the farmer is found to be non compliant they lose contract

 

[Randy]

You are rite as always SmokesAhoy..I was just quessing of the variteys the farmers like to grow to supply the BigTobacco.

Randy

 

[istanbulin]

... I believe that "expanded" represents stems that have been rolled-out flat, then expanded by pneumatic decompression (like the process used to make many breakfast cereals).

Bob

In 22nd page of the article they explained the whole process of the expanded tobacco... They pressurized the tobacco with gasses (carbondioxide, ammonia, super heated steam, etc.). I don't know the aim of this process...

Tom_in_TN wrote about "expanded tobacco" in this thread.

... EXPANDED TOBACCOS To increase the filling power of tobacco, processes have been developed that consist of impregnating tobacco with volatile materials and then rapidly removing them. The almost explosive removal of the impregnant expands the cellular structure of the leaf, giving a marked increase in filling value. A schematic diagram for the R.J. Reynolds process, which uses Freon as the expander, is shown in Figure 7. The process developed by Philip Morris is similar in principle but uses liquid ammonia and carbon dioxide as the expanders.3 These expansion processes start with tobacco shred since the lamina becomes too brittle for satisfactory cutting after treatment. Expanded or more puffed tobaccos have a high burning rate and tend to give a of irritating smoke but nevertheless are attractive from the standpoint filling value ...

 

[deluxestogie]

That appears to be convincing, istanbulin. Thanks.

Bob

 

[istanbulin]

Yea great post..the thing stands out to me was the amount of burley in the mixes?? alot more than I would have guessed I know there probly no-way of knowing.just wondering what was the most likely varitey of each.. like the Turkish? the Burley? etc

Randy

I don't know the Burley in this blend but 90 % of the Turkish tobaccos in American blends are İzmir, 10 % is Samsun.

 

[smoker]

Yea great post..the thing stands out to me was the amount of burley in the mixes?? alot more than I would have guessed I know there probly no-way of knowing.just wondering what was the most likely varitey of each.. like the Turkish? the Burley? etc

Randy

This is interesting to me because I had smoked Marboros for ages. The burley content seems low to me. I am curious as to the percentage of burley that goes into the sheet. The Turkish tobacco content is what seems high to me. Lately I have been smoking Turkish blend and when i smoke a Marlboro once in a while, now I notice the Turkish in it and I had never really it noticed before. The redleaf is advertised as the same leaf in Marlboro reds ( my old brand) only better. I was reading somewhere that Phillip Morris now has stock in a plant in Prilep thus securing a supply of the Prilep tobacco for use in their cigarettes. It would be nice to roll your own Marlboro's . Someone decipher the formula for us.

 

[holyRYO]

It would be nice to roll your own Marlboro's . Someone decipher the formula for us.

My educated guess:

30% recon (stems, wood pulp, floor sweepings)
25% expanded tobacco (looks, feels, smells, and taste like shredded cork)
20% flue cured (lowest cost sand lugs, including transportation, the world can offer)
20% burley (lowest cost sand lugs, including transportation, the world can offer)
3% flavorings
2% chemicals
0% turkish (too expensive)

 

[leverhead]

... It would be nice to roll your own Marlboro's ...

I think the biggest problem would be that the blend is a moving target, subject to accounting pressures. They own the brand, they can put anything in the box and it's still a Marlboro.

 

[holyRYO]

My educated guess:

30% recon (stems, wood pulp, floor sweepings)
25% expanded tobacco (looks, feels, smells, and taste like shredded cork)
20% flue cured (lowest cost sand lugs, including transportation, the world can offer)
20% burley (lowest cost sand lugs, including transportation, the world can offer)
3% flavorings
2% chemicals
0% turkish (too expensive)

If I was going to try at home, these would be good approximations for the ingrediants.

recon and burley sand lug blend, OHM Natural
expanded tobacco, Tin Star Gold
flue cured sand lugs, Southern Steel Virginia
flavorings and chemicals, see local meth cook