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Hello all,

First off thank you for the wealth of information on here. I have just recently started experimenting with making my own snuff and so far I am pleased with the results, but it’s still not quite where I want it to be. I plan on continuing to experiment and alter my process and ingredients till it’s “perfect” which means I will probably always be tweaking it.

The issue I am trying to work out at the moment is the texture of my snuff. I have made a few batches and I have tried altering the grind from very fine to more of a medium grind, and the cooking method. I have tried the crockpot water bath, and also used a pressure canner. The flavor on both was acceptable, but I did like the aroma from the pressure cooked variant better. The issue I have is the texture. Both have come out feeling somewhat slimy in the mouth, and when you pack it in the can and get a pinch it doesn’t not hold together as well as commercial products. It’s not terribly so, but it’s not as firm as what I am used to commercially. The recipe that I have used so far calls for glycerin and I have played with adding moreof that but it hasn’t seemed to have an effect. I have not yet tried reducing the amount.

I am wondering what would be the most likely culprits for this? Is the amount of water to flour to high? My next batch I plan on adding reducing the water to flour ratio to see if that makes a difference. Or could the cooking temp and time be having an effect on the texture?

I apologize if this is something that has been covered elsewhere, but I briefly searched through the forum and did not see anything that directly caught my eye as an answer, though i did get a few ideas. I appreciate any feedback or guidance you guys may be able to provide.
 

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At the bottom of the first post is a link to download a copy or you can order the book. Written by member deluxestogie.
Thanks Knucklehead. I did order the book after finding this forum a couple months ago, and that is where I got the recipe that I have been using, as well as lots more info.
 

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Thank you sir. I will do that this evening. Working on putting in a watering system in for the chicken coop right now and as per usual have to go buy more fittings. :) Thank you for the guidance, and love the book. It's already covered in sticky notes as I jot down notes about what I have tried and want to try in the future.
 

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Thank you sir. I will do that this evening. Working on putting in a watering system in for the chicken coop right now and as per usual have to go buy more fittings. :) Thank you for the guidance, and love the book. It's already covered in sticky notes as I jot down notes about what I have tried and want to try in the future.
Need at least three trips to the hardware store or the project doesn't count;)

I notice many commercial products tend to be shredded rather than ground, that may help them stay together a little better. I've always used a coffe grinder on mine rather than a shredder (I don't have a shredder) and have the same "fall apart" issue. Glycerol helps with moistness, but not much with stickiness and like you noticed it does give it a slimy feel if too much is used. I add a tablespoon or two of molasses to mine and a little honey but it's still not very sticky.

Maybe something with a little longer sugar molecule like a starch (corn starch in water?) or perhaps gum Arabic might help? Adding the sugar source to the tobacco before putting it in the crock pot or pressure cooker is like steaming/cooking it at lower temps. Maybe adding the tobacco and a sugar source to a hot pan as the final step and cooking at higher temps for a minute might make it a little sticker, but may be tricky to do with a large batch. Add too much sugar and cook to long and you might have a new tobacco product - jolly rancher hard candy tobacco chews. Might be a whole new market for that:)

If you come up with anything please feel free to share, I'm curious as well.
 

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Kneading helps a lot for making your product moldable. Scrape your cooked product out into a large mixing bowl and keep folding it into itself and mashing it down, same as you would for bread dough or, if you have a bread mixer, you could knead it in that.
 

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Thank you for the suggestions guys. I think I have enough flour for another small batch so I will probably start some tomorrow changing one variable at a time so I can see what effect it has.

With the kneading I am assuming that would be done post cook. Is that correct?

Thanks again!
 

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Kneading helps a lot for making your product moldable. Scrape your cooked product out into a large mixing bowl and keep folding it into itself and mashing it down, same as you would for bread dough or, if you have a bread mixer, you could knead it in that.
I second the kneading. Partikle size doesnt really seem to matter, as long as its kneaded properly.

I never use glycose in mine. Dont really need a moisture stabilazer when you arent shipping it etc, if you keep it in a misture tight yar you should be fine.
 

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I second the kneading. Partikle size doesnt really seem to matter, as long as its kneaded properly.

I never use glycose in mine. Dont really need a moisture stabilazer when you arent shipping it etc, if you keep it in a misture tight yar you should be fine.
That makes sense. Thank you sir. Unfortunately I did not have quite enough flour to make another batch, so will have to wait a few days to start another one. But I am happy to say that other than the texture I am pretty pleased with what I have in this most recent batch. Nicotine level seems about right and flavor is pretty good. Good enough that I haven’t had to buy a can of Copenhagen in several days.
 

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No problem. you can still knead your existing batch tho?
Gotta love 12 hr shifts and only one day off in the last week and a half. But I did try kneading on one of the jars so far and that definitely makes a noticeable difference. Also got some more tobacco in so started another batch tonight. I’m going to leave the glycerol out this time, and reduce the water a bit. Also played with the flavoring on the jar I kneaded. Peach and vanilla extract diluted in alcohol with a touch of honey is freaking awesome.
 
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