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adamziegler

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Greetings Folks,

In the late 2000s, I grew a dozen different varieties of tobacco in my garden. I don't even remember all of them, but it was a mix of pipe, cigar, and smokeless tobacco varieties from seedman and an old site coffin nails. The information about processing tobacco at that time is nothing like what I have been reading on this forum for the past several months. I greatly appreciate what you all have contributed and shared here, and I have been lurking and making snuff and snus based on advice I keep reading here.

Back in that grow 10+ years ago, I harvested individual leaves at a time and piled them up wrapped in towels to help them change from green to brown. Daily I would air out the stack and check for mold or insects. Little by little they would build in ammonia and brown beautifully. Once those leaves were all brown, I hung the leaves in a makeshift kiln that included a pond ultrasonic mister to keep humidity high, and oil filled space heater controlled with a water heater thermostat. I have no recollection of the temperature, but I do remember reading some papers on enzymatic activity in tobacco leaf. My garage smelled amazing after a couple of week of cure. Even non-smokers who came to visit appreciated the amazing fruit and tobacco aromas lofting from my garage.

I made a bit of pipe tobacco, rolled some cigars, and made some nasal snuff.

Every few years a grow a couple plants, but never put the effort in like that first time.

I have a few Virginia / oriental mutts growing in the garden this year that I plan to blend into snuff, snus, and pipe. Do I need to stack into towels and color cure before I put into the kiln, or can I put green leaf into a kiln with proper environment and achieve both color and cure?

Thanks for any advice you can offer.
 
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Welcome to the forum. You may find answers to your questions in the New Growers' FAQ, linked in the menu bar. You might wish to scan through the topics in our Index of Key Forum threads, also linked in the menu bar.

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Bob,

Thanks for the response. I have read through it and generally read that flue curing is sufficient if properly done. What is the process that is taking place when stacking green leaf to color cure? Is this primarily for cigar production?
 

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The practice of stacking green leaf to color cure is something I have never done. In locations that tend to have extremes of humidity during the curing season (persistently too high or too low), utilizing a small, controlled environment can be useful.

The notion of flue-curing, for Virginia types and Orientals, is to rapidly (over ~5 days) go from green leaf to fully yellowed, and immediately dried and heat-killed. This provides a bright tobacco that will not significantly age thereafter. It's what comes in cigarette blends and some pipe blends.

For air-cured leaf (all other classes of tobacco), just hanging either primed leaf or entire stalks in a shed, is the traditional method.

Other members can provide comments and suggestions on methods that I have not tried.

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Flue-curing is "flash-curing" at the yellow stage. The only variation in duration is that upper primings may require longer to transition from green to yellow. The remainder of the flue-cure schedule is always the same.

Flue Cure Chart.jpg


Of course, everybody is free to invent their own products and methods.

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Looking back I seems what I did in the past was color cure in a pile, and then kiln ferment to help age the tobacco.

Is there any reason why I couldn't go straight from flue cure to kiln ferment?
 
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