I don't think it would be a happy pipe blend.
Bob
Bob
Pics of your Sticks!! 2023-2024
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Not a huge cigar guy but those are making my mouth water just looking at them.
These were made in Wheeling, West Virginia, starting before the middle of the 19th century. [Many a migrant in the wagon trains heading west would buy them, as their canvas-covered conestoga wagons passed through Wheeling.] The Deluxe Stogies that I knew were long, skinny, machine-made, short-filler, cheap cigars—that were wonderful. They were made with PA Red and Little Dutch. The smoker was expected to bite off the pointed head, and spit it out. The company name still exists, but the cigars are made elsewhere, and from different tobaccos.
While section-hiking on the Appalachian Trail, I would sign the trail register at each AT shelter with my trail name: "Stogie", since I smoked a cigar at the end of each day's trek. Then I discovered that a thru-hiker used that trail name. So I adopted the trail name of "Deluxe Stogie", after the Marsh-Wheeling stogies that I loved.
Bob
Several decades ago, I carved a Marsh-Wheeling Deluxe Stogie hiking staff out of black walnut. The whittled and painted "cigar band" was a duplicate of the Marsh cigar band.
A pic of my stick.
Unfortunately, a decade later, I snapped it in half over the head of a raccoon that was trying to kill my dog. The raccoon let go, and ran away.
Bob
A pic of my stick.
Unfortunately, a decade later, I snapped it in half over the head of a raccoon that was trying to kill my dog. The raccoon let go, and ran away.
Bob
MadFarmer
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Bob,They were made with PA Red and Little Dutch.
You've grown Long Red and Little Dutch, how do your homemade attempts stack up memory?
I've grown Little Dutch many years, though not this year. Kilning it transforms Little Dutch into a smooth and flavorful filler, and a lovely wrapper for a stogie. The leaf is too narrow and the vein angle to acute for rolling anything fatter than about 38-40 ring. The "Little" is just its height. It is a hefty, prolific producer.
I'm growing Long Red again this season. Kilned Long Red makes a dark, intensely flavorful filler, and a wonderful wrapper (rosado to deep maduro).
Blending the two, I've managed to come sort of close to the character of a Marsh-Wheeling Deluxe Stogie. They came in either "Light" or "Dark": Little Dutch wrapper for the "Light", and Long Red wrapper for the "Dark". But mine have always been long filler with a natural binder. The real deal used short filler bound in homogenized tobacco sheet. I think the machine made, real deal was so unique in its flavor and draw, that "close" is all I'll ever manage. For a 15-cent cigar, they were hard to beat. Of course, that was when a true Havana cost an eye-popping $2.
Bob
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I'm growing Long Red again this season. Kilned Long Red makes a dark, intensely flavorful filler, and a wonderful wrapper (rosado to deep maduro).
Blending the two, I've managed to come sort of close to the character of a Marsh-Wheeling Deluxe Stogie. They came in either "Light" or "Dark": Little Dutch wrapper for the "Light", and Long Red wrapper for the "Dark". But mine have always been long filler with a natural binder. The real deal used short filler bound in homogenized tobacco sheet. I think the machine made, real deal was so unique in its flavor and draw, that "close" is all I'll ever manage. For a 15-cent cigar, they were hard to beat. Of course, that was when a true Havana cost an eye-popping $2.
Bob
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Quick Stogies
A tale of two stogies: a one-leaf stogie and a two leaf stogie. The time to make them is roughly 1 minute per leaf, including stemming. Two-leaf Stogie: ~2 minutes No special skills or secrets here. Using two whole leaves of Criollo 98 viso, I make a 6" x ~30 ring stogie. The concept of...
Filler maze.
I find it hard to resist using a fairly intact "filler" leaf for a wrapper. This wrapper began as an unusually dark, thick, almost black Criollo 98 viso filler leaf. More likely it is a ligero leaf that sneaked its way in among the viso. I used a lighter, much thinner Criollo 98 viso as the binder. Filler is about 50:50 Criollo 98 viso and Peru viso. This smoke is a WLT puro.
I allowed this to get a good night's rest, before firing it up.
Bob
PS: This stumpy cigar is about 4 inches long, 40 ring at the head, and maybe 46 ring at the foot.
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That sounds good Bob! I wish there was more of that Peru leaf! Very great qualities to it.
Filler maze.
I find it hard to resist using a fairly intact "filler" leaf for a wrapper. This wrapper began as an unusually dark, thick, almost black Criollo 98 viso filler leaf. More likely it is a ligero leaf that sneaked its way in among the viso. I used a lighter, much thinner Criollo 98 viso as the binder. Filler is about 50:50 Criollo 98 viso and Peru viso. This smoke is a WLT puro.
I allowed this to get a good night's rest, before firing it up.
Bob
PS: This stumpy cigar is about 4 inches long, 40 ring at the head, and maybe 46 ring at the foot.
Bob
MadFarmer
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This was a 50/50 mix of homegrown Corojo (2021) and homegrown Piloto (2023) I mixed the darkest of top leaf of each and bound them in a large Piloto secco leaf. I wrapped it in my last Ecuadorian Rosa from a WLT kit a few years ago.
While the binder tasted great the Piloto filler tasted just a tad young. Corojo and Piloto go well together, but the filler needed something else to round out the flavor.
Looks great! Did you ferment the homegrown leaf, or just aged?
MadFarmer
Well-Known Member
It's fermented. I use my attic as a kiln.
PressuredLeaf
Well-Known Member
Nice ash color too!
adamziegler
Well-Known Member
Ecuador Maduro Wrapper
Dominican Binder
Nicaragua Eateli Ligero and Viso
Criollo 98 Seco
Good aroma, but a a bit bitter for my tastes. I rolled a couple more like this that I will try again in a week or so.
Dominican Binder
Nicaragua Eateli Ligero and Viso
Criollo 98 Seco
Good aroma, but a a bit bitter for my tastes. I rolled a couple more like this that I will try again in a week or so.
SomeCigarGuy
Amateur Torcedor
Getting into it now. My first cigar, well technically cigarillo followed by the second giant that I was really just getting a feel for my leaf on. The next two were decent sticks though. Can hardly wait the three days or so to smoke them though. They were probably R.O.T.T. but I figured I’d wait. 
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adamziegler
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Flue cured some of the Virginia / Oriental mutts I have growing in my garden.
That's a beautiful color. I'll guess that it will taste like tobacco candy.
Bob
Bob
adamziegler
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Thanks Bob, I'm interested to see how I did with the flue cure.
WillQuantrill
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Awesome ring gauge ruler! Where did ya get it?
adamziegler
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This is a brother to the one I posted back on the 20th. An extra 10 days in the humidor seems to have reduced the bitterness.
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SomeCigarGuy
Amateur Torcedor
Purchased it from Leaf Only and didn’t realize there’s a film backing on it. Took that off and now it reads properly. Thought it was a production error but it turns out it was human error.
