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Hey, you think maybe you could tell us what tobacco is in the pictures?
First pic front to back:
5 stalks of Prilep 66-97, then 6 stalk tops of Goose Creek Red, a bunch of yellow twist bud tips and primed leaf, Harrow Velvet tips, lastly Delhi 34 way back there. Mostly you can see the blue tags at the top of the stalk, one at the front of each type, except the hv tag is on the other side. HV is hard to tell apart from ytb on a good day.
Second pic closest:
A very stubborn Goose Creek Red, Yellow Twist Bud and hiding is Harrow Velvet.
 

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Wow, I saw the waffly leaves in the first photo and thought it looked like prilep, but I figured it was too big. I have never grown it. Very healthy looking plants, man.
Prilep is such a gorgeous plant, it even smells wonderful green. The aroma is unlike anything, hard to describe. And thank you, they were terrific growers in every situation I threw at them, from pots to bad soil to rich garden.
P.S. I think you're going to like the goose Creek. I'm just realizing how well it incorporates into blends, and I'm very happy with it.
I am really hoping so! I have friggin' TONS of it, way more than anything else. Does it 'cigar' at all?
 

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Prilep is such a gorgeous plant, it even smells wonderful green. The aroma is unlike anything, hard to describe. And thank you, they were terrific growers in every situation I threw at them, from pots to bad soil to rich garden.

I am really hoping so! I have friggin' TONS of it, way more than anything else. Does it 'cigar' at all?
I like how you made cigar into a verb. I feel like a small amount of it could work to add a touch of spice, but too much would 'cigarette' your cigar. Mine isn't stretchy enough to use as binder or wrapper.

I currently have a flake on the go that was 14 GCR leaves and 1 perique leaf. It's a keeper blend.
 

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Prilep is such a gorgeous plant, it even smells wonderful green. The aroma is unlike anything, hard to describe. And thank you, they were terrific growers in every situation I threw at them, from pots to bad soil to rich garden.

I am really hoping so! I have friggin' TONS of it, way more than anything else. Does it 'cigar' at all?
Northwoodseeds has goose creek red listed as a good cigar wrapper in the description. They also list it as good for pipe and cig blend so it sounds multipurpose:) It's a dark Virginian like staghorn (which I'm growing) so it it should be decent for cigar flavor.
I'm looking forward to trying prilep, my plants are still too small for sampling:)
 

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I like how you made cigar into a verb. I feel like a small amount of it could work to add a touch of spice, but too much would 'cigarette' your cigar. Mine isn't stretchy enough to use as binder or wrapper.

I currently have a flake on the go that was 14 GCR leaves and 1 perique leaf. It's a keeper blend.
I like the sound of that. Sounds rich.
 

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Northwoodseeds has goose creek red listed as a good cigar wrapper in the description. They also list it as good for pipe and cig blend so it sounds multipurpose:) It's a dark Virginian like staghorn (which I'm growing) so it it should be decent for cigar flavor.
I'm looking forward to trying prilep, my plants are still too small for sampling:)
I still don't understand what 'dark Virginia' really means in terms of flavour or use or anything. There is a lot more description of 'dark air cure' which I gather is along the lines of where goose creek red will fit into my understanding. This is all very new to me. Looking forward to smoking it that's for sure!
I have had great luck with my Prilep, I wish you the same. It cures readily in the sun, the air and the flue chamber. It also stoves nicely into delicious aromatic cavendish.
 

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I still don't understand what 'dark Virginia' really means in terms of flavour or use or anything. There is a lot more description of 'dark air cure' which I gather is along the lines of where goose creek red will fit into my understanding. This is all very new to me. Looking forward to smoking it that's for sure!
I have had great luck with my Prilep, I wish you the same. It cures readily in the sun, the air and the flue chamber. It also stoves nicely into delicious aromatic cavendish.
This is where you become really important. No pressure. There was a member who somewhere ordered what was flue cured GCR. He hasn't been back to report on whether it was any good. You have flue cured some, so we are going to find out if "Virginia" has something to do with "flue curing" which it sometimes does and sometimes doesn't.
 

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The huge photos are awfully slow to load. The dark spots with darker margins seem abnormal (bacterial or fungal maybe). But most of the tobacco looks excellent.

Bob
I'll do thumbnails next time.
Awesome. If that's my only loss this year I will still be up a few pounds from the nothing I started with. Cheers.
 

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This is where you become really important. No pressure. There was a member who somewhere ordered what was flue cured GCR. He hasn't been back to report on whether it was any good. You have flue cured some, so we are going to find out if "Virginia" has something to do with "flue curing" which it sometimes does and sometimes doesn't.
I'm curious about the dark Virginian definition as well. Most cigar varieties aren't flue cured are they? I know some tobaco is used for different purposes (i.e. pipe, cigarette, chew, cigars...) I would think maybe the way it's cured (flue vs air vs sun) would impart different characteristics. I could be totally wrong but my impression is sun and flu curing seem to be used to keep a higher sugar content in the leaf. I would also think both of the methods could potentially slow down the normal aging/fermentation cycle by reducing the enzymes through heat or UV and might be better for cigarettes and pipe use. Seems like air curing followed by fermentation would be the way to go for cigars in my mind.
Maybe @deluxestogie has some insight into the dark Virginian definition and could suggest what curing method might be more suitable for the different purposes.
 

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I'm curious about the dark Virginian definition as well. Most cigar varieties aren't flue cured are they? I know some tobaco is used for different purposes (i.e. pipe, cigarette, chew, cigars...) I would think maybe the way it's cured (flue vs air vs sun) would impart different characteristics. I could be totally wrong but my impression is sun and flu curing seem to be used to keep a higher sugar content in the leaf. I would also think both of the methods could potentially slow down the normal aging/fermentation cycle by reducing the enzymes through heat or UV and might be better for cigarettes and pipe use. Seems like air curing followed by fermentation would be the way to go for cigars in my mind.
Maybe @deluxestogie has some insight into the dark Virginian definition and could suggest what curing method might be more suitable for the different purposes.
I have the same sense of flue curing locking in the sugar content. Yes the so called 'dark Virginia' thing seems like uncharted territory so it's fun to play with. Have you tried flue curing your staghorn? Some days I wish I grew more straight up cigar strains. Other days I feel like I wasted space where I should have grown nothing but flue cure. Sometimes I yearn for the perfect pipe, and often, the perfect pipe is a cigar. It may all boil down to just simply enjoying what I've got.
 

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It may all boil down to just simply enjoying what I've got.
Yay!

There is a continuum of assorted characteristics among all the "market classes" of tobacco. Dark Virginia; Red Virginia; Virginia Red! These terms become less and less helpful as the number of them proliferates.

I believe...not sure...that "Dark Virginia" is a dark air-cure/dark fire-cure category sort of. (Virginia is not only a category of tobacco, but also the name of a geographic location that historically grew several different categories of tobacco.) Like @Tutu's "dark sun-cured", it may or may not be an accurately descriptive term, but inserting it into a 19th century lexicon of USDA market classes adds to the terminology chaos.

SUMMARY: don't have a clue about "Dark Virginia".

Bob
 
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