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Here I'll try to explain a disciovery I made by pure chance this year.

As you may know, rustica is a pain in the a*** to cure. A fex years a go I discovered that plants growed in pot tend to yellow by themselves very early, just after the first bud appearded.
My theory is as the plant doesn't have enough room to grow his root, it will focus its energy on blooming and letting the leaves die.
So, since I do like that, I plant my rustica in 8 litter square pots, and when they begin to yellow, I prime yhe leaves and pile cure them, like that :

IMG_0934.jpg

And when they are tottaly yellow, I hang them where I can, but it's always insinde the house, withouth much sunlight.
This year I had a problem, as I sew some rustica the 5th of february, I had a very early crop, but I also sew more in april.
And if the leaves of rustica is prettyb fast to dry, the big fat stem no, so I had leaves that were hanging since 3 weeks without the stem drying, and I had new leaves to hang and no more room.

That's were I got the idea : put them under direct sunlight, I though that as the leave was alwready dry, it couldn't affect it.
I was wrong, it affected it, but in a very good way !!!
Here is how I hang the leaves :

IMG_0935.jpg

On the left you see the just hanged leaves, and on the right, the ones that had been there for longer. there are also some orientals on wood stick, but it's another subject.
After a week or two of sun curing, I noticed that the leaves that had dryed with a bright yellow, had become a kind ow brown/orange.
But the most important thing, is the change in the smell !!! Finnish that pungent acrid wet dog smell ! Then now smell a bit like sweet oriental tobacco, but withiut the flavour.
As a French, I could say it smell a bit like a just cooked baguette.
Here are some picture of what it became :

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You can clearly see the brown orange color it got.

But I must precise something, that process work extremly well with the strain Punche Mexicano.
I also grow some Mohawk, but the results are not so flagrant. There is a change, but it still get that acrid/piquant note of rustica.

I'll process all my crop of Punche of this year in that way if the weather permits it.

And if somebody here is interested by the experience, whatever strain you grow, let me know, I'm very curious of what it could give with other strain and climate.
 

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Not precisely, but I can have an average on a website. For example, today it wil began at 85% at 6am, drop to 39% at 11am, then 28% at 2PM, stay like this until 11pm where it wiil reach 70% and keep that humidity for ne night.

But that's just the today mesures, the weather is very changing where I leave, last week for example, it rained all the week with the temperature not higher than 20°C. Of course with that kind of weather I didn't put the leaves outside.
 

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Nicotine content, and if properly harvested and kilned, they impart a floral note to the smoke. Rustica smoke is very mild, with no throat hit, but a cigarette of 100% rustica can make your head spin, and turn your guts upside down. I add a 5 to 10% maximum of yellow rustica to my daily cig blend.

pier
 

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I can only confirm what Alpine say. Smoked alone, it's far too strong, I've tried once, let the cig before the first third. But adding a little bit in your cigarette blend is very interesting, it ads a floral note and a bit of punch.
For example, I'm a big lover of oriental tobaccos, but they are desperately weak in nicotine. So I make clend containing like 50% of oriental, and 10 to 15% of rustica, the other being virginia, kenctucky or burley.
 

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Nicotine content, and if properly harvested and kilned, they impart a floral note to the smoke. Rustica smoke is very mild, with no throat hit, but a cigarette of 100% rustica can make your head spin, and turn your guts upside down. I add a 5 to 10% maximum of yellow rustica to my daily cig blend.

pier
How do you cure and harvest your rustioca? Im asking for my upcoming Machorka project.
 

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I air cure my rusticas, on the stalk, since they tend to cure with a shade of green if not fully yellowed on the plant. But, in my climate, the whole plant turns yellow far too late in the season so stalk /air curing works best for me. Moreover, rusticas don’t have much sugar in the leaves, so there’s little (or no benefit at all) in sun or flue curing it.

pier
 

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I air cure my rusticas, on the stalk, since they tend to cure with a shade of green if not fully yellowed on the plant. But, in my climate, the whole plant turns yellow far too late in the season so stalk /air curing works best for me. Moreover, rusticas don’t have much sugar in the leaves, so there’s little (or no benefit at all) in sun or flue curing it.

pier
Sugars may not be an issue, but sun curing seems to improve the flavor of Punche varietal leaves. Worth the try on others.
For me, the speed is the major attraction for rusticas.
 

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We’re Machorka cigarettes a blend of Rustica?, pure seems too strong. What else was in them?

Maybe youre able to translate it.
There were/are several machorka-based cigarettes in the (former) Soviet Union and eastern European countries.
They are usually very short and have a long paper tip. I would guess an inch of tobacco at most. Those are called Papirossas


Im trying to do my own, because that type of tobacoo is not allowed to be imported into Germany.
 

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100% rustica cigs were fairly common in ex- URSS countries. Maybe they still are.

pier
I wonder what curing methods they used?
Anyone know, or have any documents?
The cured hams and sausage in the Soviet bloc were sometimes pretty good, because they couldn’t afford fancy chemicals to cure and flavor them (getting one was the problem, along with the quality of it, once it left the curing station).
 

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Maybe youre able to translate it.
There were/are several machorka-based cigarettes in the (former) Soviet Union and eastern European countries.
They are usually very short and have a long paper tip. I would guess an inch of tobacco at most. Those are called Papirossas


Im trying to do my own, because that type of tobacoo is not allowed to be imported into Germany.
An inch of tobacco?
That might be why some are Rustica only- small amounts, big punch.
Like the almost all-filter cigs in the 5th Element movie…
 

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I wonder what curing methods they used?
Anyone know, or have any documents?
The cured hams and sausage in the Soviet bloc were sometimes pretty good, because they couldn’t afford fancy chemicals to cure and flavor them (getting one was the problem, along with the quality of it, once it left the curing station).
I sadly dont know anything about their curing methods. I would love to know, because thats basically what im trying to recreate
 

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Here I'll try to explain a disciovery I made by pure chance this year.

As you may know, rustica is a pain in the a*** to cure. A fex years a go I discovered that plants growed in pot tend to yellow by themselves very early, just after the first bud appearded.
My theory is as the plant doesn't have enough room to grow his root, it will focus its energy on blooming and letting the leaves die.
So, since I do like that, I plant my rustica in 8 litter square pots, and when they begin to yellow, I prime yhe leaves and pile cure them, like that :

View attachment 42619

And when they are tottaly yellow, I hang them where I can, but it's always insinde the house, withouth much sunlight.
This year I had a problem, as I sew some rustica the 5th of february, I had a very early crop, but I also sew more in april.
And if the leaves of rustica is prettyb fast to dry, the big fat stem no, so I had leaves that were hanging since 3 weeks without the stem drying, and I had new leaves to hang and no more room.

That's were I got the idea : put them under direct sunlight, I though that as the leave was alwready dry, it couldn't affect it.
I was wrong, it affected it, but in a very good way !!!
Here is how I hang the leaves :

View attachment 42620

On the left you see the just hanged leaves, and on the right, the ones that had been there for longer. there are also some orientals on wood stick, but it's another subject.
After a week or two of sun curing, I noticed that the leaves that had dryed with a bright yellow, had become a kind ow brown/orange.
But the most important thing, is the change in the smell !!! Finnish that pungent acrid wet dog smell ! Then now smell a bit like sweet oriental tobacco, but withiut the flavour.
As a French, I could say it smell a bit like a just cooked baguette.
Here are some picture of what it became :

View attachment 42621

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You can clearly see the brown orange color it got.

But I must precise something, that process work extremly well with the strain Punche Mexicano.
I also grow some Mohawk, but the results are not so flagrant. There is a change, but it still get that acrid/piquant note of rustica.

I'll process all my crop of Punche of this year in that way if the weather permits it.

And if somebody here is interested by the experience, whatever strain you grow, let me know, I'm very curious of what it could give with other strain and climate.
How tall do your plants get in the 8 liter pots?
 

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I sadly dont know anything about their curing methods. I would love to know, because thats basically what im trying to recreate

созревание и уборка махорки!​

(Maturation and cleaning of shag)
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNObNDZIV8U

This video shows how a leaf central vein snaps, and the plant is ready to harvest. Suckers are not harvested and kept, but it looks like a sucker crop is a possibility.

Сушка махорки. Развешивание махорки для сушки.​

(Drying shag. Hanging shag for drying)
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4cxOKxJ5qw

This video shows what looks like stalk curing, followed by splitting the stalk for drying....

Почали потроху працювати в табаку. Як ми сушимо та переробляємо. Будні села.​

(Started pratsyuvati giblets in tobacco. Yak mi sushimo ta pereroblyaemo. Weekdays of the village)
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRCnWDtsx9E

This video shows a stalk harvest, followed by separation and grading of leaves, and flower heads. Stalks are chopped and dried, and saved.....but I'm not sure why.
 
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