ShiniKoroshi
Dental Floss Tycoon
Im looking for Sweet Woodruff but even Seedman is out.
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TigerTom
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Ferri Seeds in Canada has them.
ferriseeds.com
As does Seeds Now.
I've never ordered from either of them, so I can't vouch for them personally.
Also, Jung Seeds has plants available, but the minimum order is 3 plants.
www.jungseed.com
I'm surprised none of the usual suspects has them.
Galium odoratum, Asperula odorata SWEET WOODRUFF
Probably the most beautiful and easy to care for ground-cover available, Sweet Woodruff has dainty bright-green foliage, topped with lacy white flowers in spring and summer. Plants slowly creep to form a complete ground-cover, even in the driest and most poor soils, and even in acidic soils...
ferriseeds.com
As does Seeds Now.
I've never ordered from either of them, so I can't vouch for them personally.
Also, Jung Seeds has plants available, but the minimum order is 3 plants.
Sweet Woodruff, Galium: J.W. Jung Seed Company
(Galium odoratum) The leaves are often used to make sachets because of their fresh smelling fragrance. Tiny white flowers appear in late spring. The plants quickly spread 3
I'm surprised none of the usual suspects has them.
ShiniKoroshi
Dental Floss Tycoon
Thank you very much for these links.Ferri Seeds in Canada has them.
Galium odoratum, Asperula odorata SWEET WOODRUFF
Probably the most beautiful and easy to care for ground-cover available, Sweet Woodruff has dainty bright-green foliage, topped with lacy white flowers in spring and summer. Plants slowly creep to form a complete ground-cover, even in the driest and most poor soils, and even in acidic soils...
As does Seeds Now.
I've never ordered from either of them, so I can't vouch for them personally.
Also, Jung Seeds has plants available, but the minimum order is 3 plants.
Sweet Woodruff, Galium: J.W. Jung Seed Company
(Galium odoratum) The leaves are often used to make sachets because of their fresh smelling fragrance. Tiny white flowers appear in late spring. The plants quickly spread 3
I'm surprised none of the usual suspects has them.
ShiniKoroshi
Dental Floss Tycoon
Been hunting hornworms at night with a UV flashlight because apparently they glow.
Scorpions also glow in UV light.
Bob
Bob
ShiniKoroshi
Dental Floss Tycoon
So do many flowers, especially those that have a relationship with species of Lepidoptera.
Going to let any tobacco plants flower?
Might be interesting to see what they look like under a UV lamp….
My wife later this year: “what are you doing?”
Me: “looking for hornworms…”
ShiniKoroshi
Dental Floss Tycoon
The three Ahus and three Tofta that are in the ground now look as though they are starting to bud....but the plants are barely a foot high. So, Ill at least let these six flower while I decide on the rest. Im not saving seed but I do have a long enough season to allow them to flower and still ripen the leaves. For sure I will take a look at the flowers under UV and with any luck Ill spy a hawk moth sipping nectar.
wruk53
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I've grown both of these, and they did the same thing as yours, they flowered early and didn't amount to much. I've run across several varieties that were developed in Northern latitudes that don't do well this far South.
ShiniKoroshi
Dental Floss Tycoon
After reading a few of the old tobacco books I was beginning to wonder about that in general (for Florida) but didn't consider it for these plants. Its been a bit of a rough grow for them as I fumble my way through a first grow. Im learning though and am quite happy they are still alive and green. Flowers are a bonus!
Question though; if I bag a plant and grow from those seeds, do you think the variety would adapt without losing much of its current characteristics?
The only changes would be epigenetic, and may persist into the first generation, since epigenetic changes are not integral changes in the DNA.
Bob
ShiniKoroshi
Dental Floss Tycoon
I have enough tobacco on my plate, Ill leave plant breeding and genetics to the professionals. Meanwhile I have six of each variety about a month out from transplanting. It looks like spring is in full swing here so these may do better.
ShiniKoroshi
Dental Floss Tycoon
Most of these are doing well. Trimmed a couple days ago and will walk these into full sun over the next couple weeks.
Orientals are struggling but I think its because of the chilly weather here lately. Florida winter rarely extends into March. Anyhow, I may just start another tray for Orientals which would have them maturing during the hotter part of summer. We'll see.
Meanwhile, the 6 plants in the ground are doing fabulous.
Ahus in bud but still growing well.
Tofta also doing well but it has not made flower buds yet.
Orientals are struggling but I think its because of the chilly weather here lately. Florida winter rarely extends into March. Anyhow, I may just start another tray for Orientals which would have them maturing during the hotter part of summer. We'll see.
Meanwhile, the 6 plants in the ground are doing fabulous.
Ahus in bud but still growing well.
Tofta also doing well but it has not made flower buds yet.
Florida Dave
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I’m going to have to check this out when the time comes
ShiniKoroshi
Dental Floss Tycoon
Ive been hunting but found no worms yet.
BTW- if you use a bright UV flashlight its a good idea to get the yellow or amber colored glasses. Uvex sells both cheap. This will prevent eye strain as both transparent colors will block UV.
ShiniKoroshi
Dental Floss Tycoon
Long story short, I should use more fertilizer and water more often.
I had planned to fertilize the week they had started to make flowers so I didn't until 4/5 which is really too late if I were harvesting leaves.
This row is mostly sugar sand which doesn't help but was fertilized with Southern AG 10-10-10 when the soil was turned over 6-8 weeks before planting. A dose of Orchid food was given at 2 weeks and a dose of MG at 5 weeks. Heavy watering with the feedings and otherwise only watered once. Though both varieties wilted by 1pm they would recover by dark.
Im seeing yellowing on some upper leaves and the droopyness of the leaves straightens out by midnight. No flower buds yet on Tofta and Ahus is suckering a lot. Not sure yet what to make of these signals.
Strong winds from the West blew over all my plants on 4/7. Most stayed after I stood them up except that one with the bent stem below the flowers. But its straight now so its all good.
For those just tuning in; this is my first grow and these 6 have had it rough (seeds started in December). The plan is to let them grow and flower and Ill observe the growth habits. Some of the leaves are starting to ripen but Ill leave them to observe the progression. Hopefully this little education will make for a better grow of the rest of the year.
Side by side pictures; before a good watering and a dose of MG plant food on 4/5 -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> and after on 4/8.
I had planned to fertilize the week they had started to make flowers so I didn't until 4/5 which is really too late if I were harvesting leaves.
This row is mostly sugar sand which doesn't help but was fertilized with Southern AG 10-10-10 when the soil was turned over 6-8 weeks before planting. A dose of Orchid food was given at 2 weeks and a dose of MG at 5 weeks. Heavy watering with the feedings and otherwise only watered once. Though both varieties wilted by 1pm they would recover by dark.
Im seeing yellowing on some upper leaves and the droopyness of the leaves straightens out by midnight. No flower buds yet on Tofta and Ahus is suckering a lot. Not sure yet what to make of these signals.
Strong winds from the West blew over all my plants on 4/7. Most stayed after I stood them up except that one with the bent stem below the flowers. But its straight now so its all good.
For those just tuning in; this is my first grow and these 6 have had it rough (seeds started in December). The plan is to let them grow and flower and Ill observe the growth habits. Some of the leaves are starting to ripen but Ill leave them to observe the progression. Hopefully this little education will make for a better grow of the rest of the year.
Side by side pictures; before a good watering and a dose of MG plant food on 4/5 -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> and after on 4/8.
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ShiniKoroshi
Dental Floss Tycoon
Ahus and Tofta continuing to grow. Hornworms came and I squished 9 of them. They seem to hide well at night but I did spot some flakes that glowed bright fluorescent green with the UV light but didn't find the worms until daylight the next morning. Could have been remains from their first molt.
Friday evening I set 6 Little Yellow and 6 Little Dutch. We were supposed to get rain over the weekend but instead I was caught off guard by dry winds. The meristem didn't dry out so they will survive and will now grow roots like crazy.
Plants on the right are from the first group of starts (in Jan) that have struggled much. Finally took the few that remained and dumped the pots (cups). The peat in the mix broke down into basically mud. Scraped the bottom of the seed mix bag, added some good ole Florida sugar sand and repotted the bare roots. Its been about 5 days and they have all recovered. The plants on the left were started in Feb and are a couple weeks from being set. Let see if the plants on the right can catch up by then because they are all going out together.
Here is the third group started on Apr 8. Well, they were started on the 4th but then a curious racoon went rootin' around for bugs and I had to start over. 12 each of Little Yellow, Little Dutch, Japan 8 and Prilep. So far I have not been impressed with the Prilep but Im hoping a warmer start will give better results. Of all the ones started in the first two groups (total of 12) only 3 look like they will be viable. The rest have stalled early or died.
Meanwhile on the other side of the garden my daughter is doing much better than I. She has sunflower, tomato, dill (for the Swallowtail butterflies), pepper and milkweed (for Monarchs). I forget what she is putting in the front garden.
Friday evening I set 6 Little Yellow and 6 Little Dutch. We were supposed to get rain over the weekend but instead I was caught off guard by dry winds. The meristem didn't dry out so they will survive and will now grow roots like crazy.
Plants on the right are from the first group of starts (in Jan) that have struggled much. Finally took the few that remained and dumped the pots (cups). The peat in the mix broke down into basically mud. Scraped the bottom of the seed mix bag, added some good ole Florida sugar sand and repotted the bare roots. Its been about 5 days and they have all recovered. The plants on the left were started in Feb and are a couple weeks from being set. Let see if the plants on the right can catch up by then because they are all going out together.
Here is the third group started on Apr 8. Well, they were started on the 4th but then a curious racoon went rootin' around for bugs and I had to start over. 12 each of Little Yellow, Little Dutch, Japan 8 and Prilep. So far I have not been impressed with the Prilep but Im hoping a warmer start will give better results. Of all the ones started in the first two groups (total of 12) only 3 look like they will be viable. The rest have stalled early or died.
Meanwhile on the other side of the garden my daughter is doing much better than I. She has sunflower, tomato, dill (for the Swallowtail butterflies), pepper and milkweed (for Monarchs). I forget what she is putting in the front garden.