Tobacco cut for dipp

[whotan]

Have a nice day.
I have a question. Do you have any idea how to get the cut size of the tobacco? I read that a fine cut is between 80 and 120 cuts per inch!


So about 0.2mm thick and 6mm long! It doesn't have to be that precise, of course. And unfortunately I don't know what a long cut looks like! I have a tobacco cutter for smoking tobacco that makes long 0.8mm thick strings and have now bought a meat cutter which I have to modify a bit (it's bad quality).


However, I'm not sure if it will work. I would like to cut tobacco that is so fine and short that the tobacco knots nicely when you tap it. Like with store-bought dip! Do you have any idea how to do that? So that you get nice thin threads?! My idea was to buy a paper cutter or meat cutter and cut the tobacco into flakes of equal length and then stack them on top of each other and press them into a mold.

So that I can always cut lots of leaves at once very thinly! Unfortunately my meat cutter is not good quality! What equipment do you use or do you have an idea how to do it?!

Or do you know how the professional machine does it? Maybe I can build something similar for manual operation?

 

[whotan]

When you make your dip, how do you cut it? And can you put your dip under the bottom of your lip?

And what I wanted to ask: When you make chew, how thick should the tobacco be? My last chew was just too thin and soft! Which is why it fell apart in my mouth! And can I make chew with burley tobacco too? Or is it too strong then?
I love stuffing my cheeks full of delicious chew on the weekend and chewing all day long!
And during the week dip and snus!

 

[deluxestogie]

Have you read the "chew" sections of the free book?

Snuff, Snus and Chew: a recipe book

Snuff, Snus and Chew: a recipe book edited by Robert C.A. Goff Front cover The FTT "Smokeless" forum is challenging to navigate. In August of 2022, I took on the task of collecting its Smokeless recipes for a dedicated book, not expecting the project to require more than a couple of months...

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Bob

 

[pottsS]

My level p5 crosscut paper shredder makes 2mmx12mm, but there are higher security levels (p6/p7) that make a smaller shred...before I started using a paper shredder to shred my tobacco I cut ribbons and used a paper cutter an it worked well, but I was just cutting it down to an inch or so. I just googled a P6-7 paper shredder, they make a shred 3/16" long...very close to 6mm but they are 1/32" wide so probably no finer than your ribbon type cutter. I just shred for cigs. My grandpa always chewed Beech Nut...it was pretty coarse compared to the Copenhagen Dad chewed.

 

[pottsS]

I am wondering if just doing two passes through a P5 paper shredder might be good. When I started whole leaf I thought I wanted perfect ribbons, but perfect ribbons aren't perfect for my injector, I found out a little randomness is a good thing. Inexpensive P5 paper shredders are pretty easy to find. If you want I can run 50g of my cigarette tobacco back through and let you know how it looks after the second pass.

 

[pottsS]

I tried two passes. I really have no ideal what makes a good chewing tobacco. The second pass made a flake, most pieces would fit in the squares of the drywall tape I used as a reference. The squares of the drywall tape are 2.8mmx2.8mm. Out of fifty grams, I sifted out 4g of dust (way more than I sift out from a single pass, at least 2x). I don't know if the dust is a concern for chewing tobacco, but I sift it out for cigs because the dust can get into the internal workings of my injector. I'll add a picture. Sorry I can't say if it will work or not. Hopefully the picture give some ideal

 

[whotan]

Have you read the "chew" sections of the free book?

Snuff, Snus and Chew: a recipe book

Snuff, Snus and Chew: a recipe book edited by Robert C.A. Goff Front cover The FTT "Smokeless" forum is challenging to navigate. In August of 2022, I took on the task of collecting its Smokeless recipes for a dedicated book, not expecting the project to require more than a couple of months...

fairtradetobacco.com

BobAJ.

I bought it! And I love this book! My main goal is to get the texture of the dip as good as possible so that it can be whipped up properly and knots easily! Like the original! It doesn't have to be exactly like that. But it should be nice and thin! So that I can whip it up in the package!

And I wanted to see how you do it and how the machine works for the professionals! Because there is no more oral tobacco in my home country, I have to make it myself!

I want to stop smoking again! Which is not good for my health (because I have asthma). And I think it's a nice hobby! Which is why I'm not afraid to put in a lot of effort or spend a little money to make it better!

 

[whotan]

I have to take a look at this paper cutter! Thanks for the tip! 0.2mm would be thin enough! Which model did you buy? Can you still buy it somewhere?

 

[whotan]

I am wondering if just doing two passes through a P5 paper shredder might be good. When I started whole leaf I thought I wanted perfect ribbons, but perfect ribbons aren't perfect for my injector, I found out a little randomness is a good thing. Inexpensive P5 paper shredders are pretty easy to find. If you want I can run 50g of my cigarette tobacco back through and let you know how it looks after the second pass.

that would be great!

 

[pottsS]

I have to take a look at this paper cutter! Thanks for the tip! 0.2mm would be thin enough! Which model did you buy? Can you still buy it somewhere?

It is a Wolverine I bought off amazon. I didn't buy an expensive one because I wasn't too confident that it would work, but it works well, I feed it more aggressively now, I was afraid of overworking it so I was pretty cautious at first, but it is meant to shred 8 papers at a time. If I do it again I might spend a little more and get one with a longer run time, the cheaper ones they say not to run for more than 15 minutes continuously. For the most part it isn't working hard when I shred tobacco so I shred for 20 minutes, I can shred about a Kg in 20 minutes now. Here is a video I made when I started with it, I haven't really changed anything, even my hopper works really well after I adjusted the throat a bit.

 

[whotan]

I found an interesting cutter on YouTube! You have to work manually. But you can determine exactly how long and thick the tobacco will be! Maybe you can build something like that yourself!

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/2V4A03pKz4s?si=60uEZomLdm2GJ939

 

[adamziegler]

What in the world was that foam / cream that went in the tin before the tobacco?!

 

[whotan]

I think that in Indian and African street chewing tobacco, the alkaline extra is added and mixed by hand! Often there are also flavors in the paste! Usually extremely harmful! I was mainly interested in the cut in the video!

 

[whotan]

I don't think I want to know what is in the paste! Probably chopped up babies, acid, and nuclear waste! (; But if anyone knows for sure I would be interested too!

 

[johnny108]

That looks like a manual meat slicer.
You can buy them, if you don’t have the building skills.

 

[pottsS]

I have some pictures of my other tobacco shredder...same principle but a little less manual (I use my cordless drill). Depending on how I fed it I could make very fine shreds. It has disposable utility knife blades on the wheel, kind of a nice feature since they are cheap at any hardware store. Really it isn't so different from the tech 1 shredder...just not as sophisticated and it needs to be fed by hand.

The economics of buying whole leaf and how I shred it

Whole leaf tobacco costs me about $40/lb delivered to my door. I checked the price of rolling tobacco today...$68/100g. The pound of whole leaf I shredded today yielded 360g...so about $11/100g. I timed myself processing it, it took about 1/2 hour...(mind you I do still need to clean up!)...

fairtradetobacco.com

 

[whotan]

Hast du es gekauft? Wenn ja, wo? Glaubst du, du kannst Streifen von höchstens 0,5 mm bekommen?

Did you buy it? If so, where? Do you think you can get strips of 0.5mm or less?

 

[pottsS]

Hast du es gekauft? Wenn ja, wo? Glaubst du, du kannst Streifen von höchstens 0,5 mm bekommen?

Did you buy it? If so, where? Do you think you can get strips of 0.5mm or less?

It was made in Quebec but the manufacture doesn't seem to exist anymore, my son bought it at a garage sale, it hadn't been used. It can cut pretty fine depending on how you feed it. You can adjust the blades a little and make some difference. Are you in Germany?

 

[whotan]

Yes im german!