Patriotguy
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Is there any kind of a chart or a graph that would give you information as too the basic flavor characteristics of different types of tobacco plants, or would that be all too dependent on the type of soil and climate ?
Is there any kind of a chart or a graph that would give you information as too the basic flavor characteristics of different types of tobacco plants, or would that be all too dependent on the type of soil and climate ?
I'm kind of a chart and graph and statistics sort of person. Sometimes those are surprisingly helpful. [In the computer game, Starcraft, it's helpful to compare the resource cost of building weapon systems, in relation their relative offensive power and defensive strength, as well as their construction time. Just looking at a list of that is not a fun experience, whereas a multi-dimensional graph of that reveals genuine secrets.]Is there any kind of a chart or a graph that would give you information as too the basic flavor characteristics of different types of tobacco plants, or would that be all too dependent on the type of soil and climate ?
We might consider that "leading the witness".This type of chart is interesting when you try to identity which flavors/aromas you detect while smoking, it helps focusing.
I once tried to get together such a wheel at another forum and somehow the whole thing decayed into an upset. Can't remember how that happened. Maybe someone took offense at my unwashed femininity descriptor. I think I even made a nice colorful pie chart to kick things off.Charly, I actually believe that a complete list of distinctive flavors and aroma can be helpful in identifying a familiar taste that you just can't name. A limited list tends to encourage identifications that are not really what you are experiencing.
I suppose I'm just grumpy about the creative fiction that appears in tobacco review sites.
Now, if a "flavor wheel" included such entries as feces, cat urine, skunk, decay, then I might see some hope for it. But when I describe the undertone of most Perique as manure, some folks are repulsed by that truth.
Bob
I taste these mostly in any gurkha that isn't the regent, in my opinion its their only good cigar I actually enjoy.Okay, I found the thread. This was my original post, in 2017:
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I'm developing a new flavor wheel. Have you yourself personally ever tasted any other "flavor notes" besides these? Thanks! (Yes, I've tasted these.)
cigar flavor wheel
burning tire rubber
smoldering plastic
wet hay
wet grass
compost pile
bitterness
Charly, I actually believe that a complete list of distinctive flavors and aroma can be helpful in identifying a familiar taste that you just can't name. A limited list tends to encourage identifications that are not really what you are experiencing.
I suppose I'm just grumpy about the creative fiction that appears in tobacco review sites.
Now, if a "flavor wheel" included such entries as feces, cat urine, skunk, decay, then I might see some hope for it. But when I describe the undertone of most Perique as manure, some folks are repulsed by that truth.
Bob
Of course, you are correct. The human brain's center of "emotion" is derived from more primitive olfactory areas. Our responses to aromas are emotional. [Grandmother's kitchen, while the coffee is brewing, etc.] Detection of smells is evolutionarily engineered to encourage us to eat non-toxic things, and avoid fatal ingestions. So we naturally associate lovely tobacco aromas with previously experienced foods, even though the aromas are not the same."fresh jasmine flower early in a misty morning after a hard night."
The seed of the 5 pages of descending civility that my post led to was that my true intention was not to create some universal list, but to make a humorous comment on the things I actually tasted in my home rolls, vs the kinds of things that people mentioned in reviews. I would love to roll something with Dark chocolate or Vanilla cream, but it would be part of a different wheel.I literally have tears in my eyes I’m laughing so hard. However, in all fairness we should address some of the more positive flavor notes too such as:
Dark chocolate
Jasmine
Nutmeg
Molasses
Vanilla cream
Black pepper
Ancho pepper
Oh, and you left out B.O. and blue cheese.
For cigars, I think Halfwheel may even surpass Katman sometimes. The fact that people buy this stuff just makes me wonder about the intellect of these readers, seriously. Unless they're all reading this stuff for comic effect, and I'm the naive fool in the mix.There is one pipe tobacco reviewer, in particular, that always makes me laugh with the over-describing of "flavors".
Every single review he does lists every individual component along with almost every possible way it could be described.
Here's a small sample from just one single blend:
" ...tangy, dark fruity, earthy, woody, bready, lightly floral, slightly spicy, slightly citrusy red Virginia"
"... dry, sour, lightly tangy sweet, woody, earthy, floral, spicy, smoky Basma and Izmir" (smoky Basma?? LOL)
It's always good for a chuckle, too, because he's got the masses drooling for his next review.