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I spent a few years in that state, it doesn't surprise me very much. I didn't fit in very well and never would. The rest of New England calls them massholes.
 

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Some of these laws being passed are just plain nuts. Like in some towns they are passing laws of no smoking outside in public.
Look how in New York if I remember right, you can't get an XL soda. Crazy huh
 

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Some of these laws being passed are just plain nuts. Like in some towns they are passing laws of no smoking outside in public.
Look how in New York if I remember right, you can't get an XL soda. Crazy huh

that law didn't pass in NY, but Berkeley, CA just passed a "sin tax" on soda of 1 cent per ounce.
 

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Wow, that's only a couple of towns over from me. It will probably only affect one store, though. Pretty small town. But it's a terrible precedent.
 

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LOL...but was more going Massachusetts in general. Use to have to travel there every other week when I first started out in business.
 

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Jokes aside though, this is just one more step for the nanny police. People beginning to fall into the trap that government knows what's best for you and you should let them run your life. The non-smokers forget once they get this done they will be coming after their hobbies and lifestyle as well, very slippery slope here.
 

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Jokes aside though, this is just one more step for the nanny police. People beginning to fall into the trap that government knows what's best for you and you should let them run your life. The non-smokers forget once they get this done they will be coming after their hobbies and lifestyle as well, very slippery slope here.
Well said, RW! I'm going to have to find out what's going on in Westminster. Like I said this is only going to hurt the few local businesses they have (gas stations and convenience stores).
 

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It's really not 'nanny police', but a psychology of zealotry amongst individuals who are in governments, local councils, etc. who most probably had some loved one who smoked/had smoked deal with a cancer or illness situation in their lives. It is easy enough to project the responsibility for our decisions on to tobacco companies, soft drink companies, fatty snack companies, etc. - this zealotry is rampant in Ireland, as well. The politicians here are 'proud' to have been one of the first countries in the EU to ban smoking inside public places. I will not tell you the number of pubs that went out of business because of this. However, it does appear that 'they' are eroding the social acceptance of smoking - there is little public defense of the right to smoke, etc. Pub owners here did not become pro-active to try to save their businesses. In January, a law is passing here where you will be fined if you drive in your car with a 'minor', while smoking, due to cherry-picked second hand smoke 'statistics' (despite recent trials that have been unable to show a connection). I don't know how that relates to a 17 year old smoker, driving alone in his car, though....
 

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A minor smoking in a vehicle could logically be charged with attempted suicide, by that rationale.
 

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Looks like people there need to grow their own...

But smoke it in the basement.
 

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I personally like that they moved smoking outside because I am basically allergic, which is strange because I do appreciate the aroma of cured leaf, just not burning leaf. Probably 90% of my nasal troubles subsided after moving away from my mother who smokes about a pack a day. I wish she would reduce her consumption or move to ecigs, but I just let her be because that's her choice and, well, she's "strong-willed" (and I'm sure her doctors harp on her plenty).

I don't really agree with the nanny state but I do believe that people should be informed about risks. Soda is bad for you (most likely very bad for you), but Coca-Cola and Pepsi-Cola aren't going to tell you that and are going to do everything in their power to keep you from hearing about that information and push their products on your uninformed/care-free children. THAT is wrong and is what Big Tobacco used to do as well (and some people claim they still do but truth be told I've never seen the bubble-gum flavored snus packets they rail against). Choice without access to adequate information is just marketing, and corporations thrive off of what you do not know.
 

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I certainly recall chocolate 'cigarettes' when I was a kid, but I don't believe that these were being marketed by cigarette companies. And, at least in my opinion, much of the facts of 'Tobacco Control' are suppositive, based on laboratory trials that are not indicative of every day life. Forcing rats into canisters and pumping cigarette smoke into them continually does not really translate to the way humans smoke. In any event, it does boil down to informed choice. The problem is that, living in a profit driven society, the information on both sides is cherry picked to enhance that particular side's conclusion, and it is difficult to sift through the marketing. 'Big pharma' in the US is just as guilty as individual suppliers - there is certainly evidence that the 'new' disease of high cholesterol is rife with supposition, profit motive, etc. So, when you are being advised of 'risks', who do you believe??
 

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Probably 90% of my nasal troubles subsided after moving away from my mother who smokes about a pack a day. I wish she would reduce her consumption or move to ecigs, but I just let her be because that's her choice and, well, she's "strong-willed" (and I'm sure her doctors harp on her plenty).

Consider getting her to switch to smoking whole leaf tobacco instead of the store bought stuff. My cravings were greatly reduced a few weeks after the switchover. I was smoking about a pack and day and am now smoking 4-6 cigarettes per day. My smoking cough is gone, I don't wake up having to have a cigarette immediately, I don't run out of breath as fast during exertions, and my doctor told me my lungs sound great. It made a huge difference in the amount I smoke and the way I feel.
 
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