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What to grow for RYO Cigarette use? QC Canada.

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So im in Quebec Canada and want to try growing my own to make some cigarettes. Any recommendation? The simpler to grow the better. We are having some late summers but extremely warm and humid ones (often @ ~30c). I would be sun curring it and are there any crops that take less time to age properly?

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Welcome to FTT. I roll my own (no tubes to fill for me) and grow my own. I’m still trying to find the perfect strain(s) but here’s my limited experience:
flue cured tobacco, when air cured, is often very mild in taste
burleys are far tastier, but not excellent smoked alone
orientals are very aromatic, but desperately low in nic
rusticas di have the right hit, but crops are barely worth the effort.
My favourites: Goose Creek Red (dark Virginia, easy to cure and tastes good even smoked alone)
Symbol 4: burley, cures perfectly, good taste & good kick
Prilep p66-9/7: oriental, literally tobacco candy
Sultan Albanian: rustica, fair yelds, adds vitamin N
My everyday mix: 40 GCR 40S4 and the rest Prilep/Sultan in variable percentage.
As said, I’m still looking for the perfect strain, so I have various other tobaccos that I mix and smoke but the ones cited above are the best I’ve tried so far.

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The orientals I tried (Celikhan, Alma Ata 315 and Prilep) are all very low nic, and very aromatic. Tried to smoke alone, I’d light up every 30 minutes or so, but almost got sick from the intense aroma. For the crop, I’d say 40 grams of dried leaf per plant on average. Celikhan a bit more, Alma Ata a bit less. Yes, I sun cured the AA but did not find much difference with the air cured. Remember, this is strictly my experience, take it for what it is. Orientals are very sensitive (taste wise) to soil and weather conditions. Not for nothing, best orientals come from Middle East.

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The orientals I tried (Celikhan, Alma Ata 315 and Prilep) are all very low nic, and very aromatic. Tried to smoke alone, I’d light up every 30 minutes or so, but almost got sick from the intense aroma. For the crop, I’d say 40 grams of dried leaf per plant on average. Celikhan a bit more, Alma Ata a bit less. Yes, I sun cured the AA but did not find much difference with the air cured. Remember, this is strictly my experience, take it for what it is. Orientals are very sensitive (taste wise) to soil and weather conditions. Not for nothing, best orientals come from Middle East.

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Hey Someguy,

I'm in Edmonton, and I want you to know the flue cured tobacco which I've grown that turned out the best was called Delhi 34. It was developed at the Delhi, Ontario research station. I, personally want to try other Canadian flue cured tobaccos. One of the reputed best is called Delgold. I haven't tried it, but it has a solid reputation. They sell the seeds at northwestseeds.com

If you're interested pm me and I'll send you some Delhi 34 seeds. Otherwise, try Delgold. I'm going to, myself.
 

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Hey Someguy,

I'm in Edmonton, and I want you to know the flue cured tobacco which I've grown that turned out the best was called Delhi 34. It was developed at the Delhi, Ontario research station. I, personally want to try other Canadian flue cured tobaccos. One of the reputed best is called Delgold. I haven't tried it, but it has a solid reputation. They sell the seeds at northwestseeds.com

If you're interested pm me and I'll send you some Delhi 34 seeds. Otherwise, try Delgold. I'm going to, myself.
Your Delhi 34 gave me some very nice leaves (before it became infected by PVY in the middle of the season), I am eager to see how good they will be !
I might try DelGold too (to compare it and see if it is more resistant).
 
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Your Delhi 34 gave me some very nice leaves (before it became infected by PVY in the middle of the season), I am eager to see how good they will be !
I might try DelGold too (to compare it and see if it is more resistant).
I suspect it might be more resistant because it has some rustica DNA. I do know that it yields more tobacco.
 

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I have noted the Kumanovo too (your fault again : you said somewhere that it was your favorite strain for cavendish...).
You already know you will grow L'Assomption 201 again ? Did you try it already ?
 
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I have noted the Kumanovo too (your fault again : you said somewhere that it was your favorite strain for cavendish...).
You already know you will grow L'Assomption 201 again ? Did you try it already ?
I added too many tobaccos to my list this year and wound up not growing L'Assomption. I really ought to.

A friend and I grew Kumanovo at his house in 2015. Kumanovo had a significant tongue bite when I first cured it. I have a theory that my friend's fertilizing method-uncomposted horse manure-contributed. Anyways, after cavendishing it, and letting it rest, it's incredibly unique. Dark, sweet, complex. I'll send you a tiny bit. Enough for a couple bowls. I found some when cleaning out the garage last week.
 

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Thanks CV !
That's very kind of you :)

If this "horse manure special cavendish" is so unique, I might have trouble replicating it ! :D

What do you think the uncomposted horse manure did to the tobacco ?
Did it give it too much nitrogen ?
 

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Fresh horse manure was used in times gone by to make “warm beds” to germinate tobacco. Since it ferments easily, a bed about 1 ft thick for around 6 sq ft, covered with an inch of fine dirt is ideal for baccy seeds to sprout. In a month or so, the seedlings were transplanted in full ground with a portion of the original bed, since horse manure was by then nothing more than good fertilizer. We now have less stinky and more easily controlled heat mats to accomplish this task.

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What kind of cigarettes do you smoke? That is a important when trying to pick out tobacco to grow.
 
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