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Hasse SWE

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Wow, 60 days after topping... my yellow type rusticas would be color cured, sun dried and naturally kilned on the plant! Pier
Yes that seems to be the best way to handle N.Rustica..-I ain't a fan of N.Rustica but the two variants of N.Rustica that I have like best is "cornplanter" and "Rustica Bolsunov".This summer is the first that I don't growing N.Rustica at all and I most say that I really missing the yellow flowers in my garden..
 

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Aphids have infested my Yellow Twist Bud!

Spinosad didn't touch them. Neem oil did nothing. Soapy water made them hiccup a little.
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Interestingly, the aphids wanted nothing to do with the Olson 68 or the Silver River...
It HAS to be Dawn. Other brands don't seem to kill 'em. I put Garlic juice in my spray. Then they all dive off the leaves and into my pool. Had to get a fine mesh scoop to get them out.
 

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First Fruits!

YTB's had a couple of yellow leaves, so I primed them brushed off the dirt and tied them in a mini hand. Not the best idea with the constant wet weather we're having. Only lost one in the middle to green mold before I spread them out to cure.

Will smoke a small bowl when they're fully color cured.

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Not that I have anything to compare them to, but some of these Olson 68 leaves are getting fricken huge.

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Hasse,
That interesting article just casually mentions F11. Eleven years of work on that! What is more curious is that they estimate "pounds of nicotine per acre". This was a truly industrial project.

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Quick update: the plants have grown much bigger.
All of the Silver River is still putting out leaves.
3 of the YTB plants that were in the near row are lagging far behind and are just now budding.
One of my bags came loose on the leftmost Olson 68 rustica, so I'm dedicating that to testing the smoking recipe mentioned earlier in the thread.

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The cornplanter rustica plants are making great progress.
I have 5 that survived in the wife's flower garden despite 20% sun and and about 2 dozen scattered in the veggie garden that are growing strongly.
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It HAS to be Dawn. Other brands don't seem to kill 'em. I put Garlic juice in my spray. Then they all dive off the leaves and into my pool. Had to get a fine mesh scoop to get them out.
I was able to knock out the aphids by adding another couple drops of soap and garlic to the mix. I spray them in the evening, wait an hour, then hose off the plants so I don't build up too much detergent residue.
 

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Since soapy water kills aphids by dissolving their waxy coating, allowing them to desiccate in the sun, I would suggest spraying in the evening (to avoid scalding the leaves), then rinsing, if you must, the following evening.

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Since soapy water kills aphids by dissolving their waxy coating, allowing them to desiccate in the sun, I would suggest spraying in the evening (to avoid scalding the leaves), then rinsing, if you must, the following evening.

Bob
With all the rain we've had, I haven't felt the need to rinse. Of course, that means not a whole lot of sun to fry the little buggers.
On top of that, I found and crushed 3 of these
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If it's not one thing, it's another.
 

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More evidence of Hornwormnado in Vermont! Yikes!

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You're not kidding. I spend 2 day away from the garden and they decimated a large tomato vine.
Did a detailed inspection of every leaf on the tobacco and tomatoes. Thank god they were only on the one tomato plant, but I pulled off 6 of them.

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Another week, another great effort on the part of my cornplanter rusticas.

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It was finally dry enough to test a mudlug from the YTB!
Picked a leaf, stripped it and rolled a cigarillo on my sweet (not)virgin thigh. It was rolled a bit too tight, and a little too damp, but it smoked just fine after I dried it on the hood of the grill for a couple minutes.
Tasted like tobacco. I really enjoyed it
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ETA: I did inhale a couple puffs to see if there was any appreciable nicotine. There wasn't.
 

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Another weekend, another update.
All the plants from BigBonner are bagged or topped. I had a homemade bag on an Olson Rustica plants that burst at a taped seem, compromising at least 100 seed pods. That still leaves me with 3 of the rusticas still good for seed saving.
I'm bagging the first Silver River to flower for next year.
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The local sacred cornplanter is already sending flower stalks. If my luck holds I'll have seeds to send back to the friend who gifted them to me.
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The first "priming" of the YTBmud lugs is fully color cured and sitting in the 3 season room waiting for enough leaves to do a full kiln load.
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That's it for now. Only another week or so to go until I cut and stalk cure the Olson and start priming the YTB and Silver River.
 

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Primed some of the YTB that was starting to yellow, and brown at the tip. I also stripped my stubby Olson to see how it cures.
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Cornplanter is looking better and better every day.
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My Olson is about 5-6' tall now, did yours remain stubby?
I topped them at 4' or shorter when the flower stalk started shooting up.. This stubby one was only 18". The ones that I didn't top are ~5.5' including the seed head.

I tilled in maybe an inch of compost this spring. I'm thinking I need a lot more for next year.
 

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Most commercially available compost from the big box stores is a mere 0.05:0.05:0.05 for N:p:K. If you go with Black Kow, it's ten times that analysis--0.5:0.5:0.5. But at $5 per 40# bag, you could easily squander your children's inheritance on enough to maintain the soil fertility. The past two years, I've applied commercial low-chlorine 10:10:10, and been delighted with the results.

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I used alfalfa pellets, 2.5-0.6-2.0. At $16CAD per 50 lb bag. I used 40lbs per 100 square feet. (450-105-360) Beware, though, it attracts bunnies. It's slow release, and you only get about a third of the total nitrogen in the first year. That's why I went with so much. Fall application and pre soaking are recommended. I don't have children, so I don't give two squirts who's inheritance I'm spending.
 
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