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Whats interesting is that the grow zone in the Fraser valley where I live is much what you'd find in the major baccy regions of the US. If you follow the zonage from the major US baccy growing regions like Virgina and surounding states, They narrow up right into my neck of the woods. Here a photo I got to show what I mean-

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I should almost take up tobacco farming on top of my bee business.
 

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So going by your geographics that pretty much puts you in the Yankee canadian catagory.You are way above the mason dixon line.Or are you a southern canadian, whatever chillardbee your cool.
 

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I have just made a marvelous discovery, 100% ethonal is excellent hand cleaner after handling baccy. even the gooiest hands come clean quick and easy, very nice.

Today I will of strung up 18 varieties that equates to about 2700 leaf. feeling the soreness at the base of my neck and into my soulders. However, I think I'm making some good headway now and I think I must be close to being 2/3 done.

I'm harvesting seeds now too as I come across them. I just clip the stem and use the bag to contain them while I hang them to let other pods mature. I have cardboard disks that I number corrispondingly and throw it into the bag to keep it in order. I accidently cut the blooms off of one of Bobs cigar varieties but I left three stems to grow suckers to bloom so not all is lost on that.
 

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So I was going to mention what plants do well with tight spacing. I liked the african red, out of the cluster grow I had about 5 main stalks that took of growing out of a 1'x2' area. they grew to be about 8' tall and the most I harvested off of one plant was around 18 leaves. the biggist leaf was about 22" long by 18" wide, it was big.

Today Iharvested the Lemon Bright and all I can say is WOW! 7-8 main stalks grew out of a 1'x2' area and the leaf on them were more numerous and bigger. In fact, I may need two sticks to string up that variety. Of the fluecured varieties, this one was by far the largest producer and the better quality leaf too that tends to air cure brighter then other varieties.

I should mention that they were planted not to far from the compost pile and I'm sure that that had helped them grow the way they did. In light of that, I would say that treating a trench much like Po Green did in his compost holes and making a good mound compost rich soil, I believe you could easily have an inrow planting of 1' apart and still get super sized plants.

Mcnair was another good one that handled tight spacing well. Interesting is that between lemon bright, African red, and Mcnair have similar leaf and plant style of growth and are very different then other virginia types.
 

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Did you find that all the lower leaves in the middle of the patch ripened OK? I did a similar experiment to you with my rustica plants this year to see how closely I could grow them ... I found that the leaves developed fine (and the plants tended to grow taller in an attempt to out-compete each other for sunlight) ... however - it seems as if all the lower leaves of the plants in the middle have not had sufficient sunlight on them to ripen enough to cure well.

I'm glad I did the experiments to see for myself - but there's probably a good reason for the standard spacing suggested due to access to sunlight as well as nutrients in the soil.
 

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What I found on most varieties was that the normal big leaves ripened and are curing well. I sun cured my rustica so I can't say how they cured normally but they did cure good in the sun. But there was something I noticed on most varieties was that there might of been 1-3 leaves that were stunted because of to things 1) they were too close to another leaf or stalk and 2) they didn't have sufficiant light. The plants had normal leaf of 14-18" long then about mid way and up there might be a few leaves that were only 2" long. I will try to take a photo of it. Other then that, the good leaves are curing fine. The african red, lemon bright, mcnair, and a few other varieties that only had the 4-7 main stalks grew as well as they could and better then most. Other varieties that were truly packed with 10-15 in the cluster 1'x2' space had 3-4 plants grow a little better then the rest and were the first to bloom and I'm getting about 36 leaves that reach about 16-22 inches from those 3-4 good plants and about 80-120 leaves from the rest, certianly enough leaf to fill a stick.
 

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...but there's probably a good reason for the standard spacing suggested due to access to sunlight as well as nutrients in the soil.

I might depend reason(s) behind the "good reason". If the reason(s) are economic, profit comes at the expense of quality. Fertilizer rates could looked at the same way.
 

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Looks mighty familiar to me!

I'm just jealously eyeing up the huge space you're curing that leaf in!
 

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Ha Ha, that space is dwindling fast my freind. in fact, it's almost non-exsistant now. I must have close to 90 sticks hanging up on the ceiling now withe room for maybe another 6-8 more and still have 20 varities to harvest. My sun cure rack is full (18 strings) with another 9 hanging off the house, and still another 14 of those to harvest.
 

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Your tobacco store must be taking off chillard. You got your hands full. Bonner pm'd looking for some migrant workers, he has acres to get in and he's low on help. You'll find space somewhere for those unharvested plants.
 

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Found this nasty little bastard mouwing down on my leaf. He had a go at 2 other leaves too. AND that was from leaf in a pail over night. He was crapping it as fast as he was eating it too. Thankfully we don't have to much a problem with catterpillars but that doesn't mean I took great pleasure smearing his guts over the pavement.
 

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I found very few hornworms this year, they did lay eggs on my fresh hung leaf though after harvest. I check them before stringing and had a piece of plywood on the lower rung of my hanging rack and was seeing there droppings weeks after harvest. I would find them chowing down.
 

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Whats interesting is that the grow zone in the Fraser valley where I live is much what you'd find in the major baccy regions of the US. If you follow the zonage from the major US baccy growing regions like Virgina and surounding states, They narrow up right into my neck of the woods. Here a photo I got to show what I mean-

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I should almost take up tobacco farming on top of my bee business.

What I find interesting is that I live in the only white zone that is not a lake.:confused:
 

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What I find interesting is that I live in the only white zone that is not a lake.:confused:

Must be the 'no grow zone', don't know how they missed that.

You're up there, north of northern Maine. Are you able to grow tobacco?

Bob

Southern Quebec and Ontario is where the commercial tobacco farming takes place. Why? I dunno. Daves probably surrounded by baccy growers. I wish the Ontario flue cured tobacco board would relocate to the fraser valley, I might be able to get a contract to grow then.
 

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What sort of caterpillar is that? I've never seen one on my tobacco.

I know how you feel though - just discovered that some cabbage white butterfly had got in to my brassica nets and laid tons of eggs all over my Kohl Rabi and Napa cabbages ... I must have picked and squished hundreds of the caterpillars yesterday and I bet I missed a few ... some of the plants look like skeletons now.
 
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