Thedbs999
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I love that dark wrapper. What is it??
Dan
Dan
Pics of your sticks!!
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MarcL
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What a great photo!
Bob
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MarcL
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I think there getting bigger.
Youn
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My very first stick (with Goose Creek Red mud lugs)
… too loose!!
… too loose!!
MarcL
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Very nice !
ChinaVoodoo
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You know, best thing about a loose cigar is you can still smoke it. Looks good too. Good job.
This wasn't what I intended. The goal was a potent, non-sweet, but rich filler blend of well-aged Jalapa and Hacienda del Cura bound with a nutty double binder of aged Moonlight sun-grown leaf, all counterbalanced by the lusciously sweet, aged Florida Sumatra oscuro wrapper.
As it turned out, the Moonlight, even doubled, did not have sufficient tensile strength to adequately compress the filler. So the wrapper would have to complete that process. But Florida Sumatra leaf that has reached the "oscuro" pinnacle, though very stretchy when well hydrated, also tends to be friable--it tears apart like tofu or cooked liver.
So once the gorgeous wrapper was applied, a split appeared about half-way between the foot and the head. Boo. I pulled out the other half of the wrapper leaf, and trimmed it so that it began at about the mid-point (yellow arrow). This would close the tear. It did close the tear, but it split in two places up by the head.
Digging into my bag of in-case scraps, the only remedy I found was a segment of Ecuador Shade. So now I have a two-tone, silly looking cigar that still boasts the potent, non-sweet, and rich filler blend,...but no longer offers sweetness at the head--where it counts.
As it turns out, this has pretty much of a Havana profile: rich, potent and dry. No wood and leather, and no hint of a floral character. The now buried FL Sumatra oscuro provides none of its sweetness, has only minimal flavor, but amps up the strength.
Bob
Youn
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Thanks Marc!
yes! nothing is worst than an impossible draw… just as the next cigar I made!
waikikigun
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This old-school forum software alas does not allow me to "like" your posts, nor to "add to your reputation" until I've added to someone else's; so I cannot acknowledge as frequently as I'd like how much I enjoy these posts of yours with the photos and the descriptions of the makings and the process. So for now, Thanks for these posts; they are a fascinating pleasure.
This wasn't what I intended. The goal was a potent, non-sweet, but rich filler blend of well-aged Jalapa and Hacienda del Cura bound with a nutty double binder of aged Moonlight sun-grown leaf, all counterbalanced by the lusciously sweet, aged Florida Sumatra oscuro wrapper.
As it turned out, the Moonlight, even doubled, did not have sufficient tensile strength to adequately compress the filler. So the wrapper would have to complete that process. But Florida Sumatra leaf that has reached the "oscuro" pinnacle, though very stretchy when well hydrated, also tends to be friable--it tears apart like tofu or cooked liver.
So once the gorgeous wrapper was applied, a split appeared about half-way between the foot and the head. Boo. I pulled out the other half of the wrapper leaf, and trimmed it so that it began at about the mid-point (yellow arrow). This would close the tear. It did close the tear, but it split in two places up by the head.
Digging into my bag of in-case scraps, the only remedy I found was a segment of Ecuador Shade. So now I have a two-tone, silly looking cigar that still boasts the potent, non-sweet, and rich filler blend,...but no longer offers sweetness at the head--where it counts.
As it turns out, this has pretty much of a Havana profile: rich, potent and dry. No wood and leather, and no hint of a floral character. The now buried FL Sumatra oscuro provides none of its sweetness, has only minimal flavor, but amps up the strength.
Bob
That WLT Ec. Shade was a great wrapper, IMHO. It's sorely missed.
I appreciate the kind words. I do have to say that I find many posts from many forum members worthy of recognition.
My cigar rolling is 98% functional. I confess to paying attention to the artistry of it at least 2% of the time.
I presently have about 7 or so leaves of Ecuador Shade remaining. Sigh.
Bob
MarcL
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Remember these? the draw didn't really turn out to much so, I thought they might want to be bigger.
lets go with 3 into 5 .. some mata fina inside, capa corojo oscuro
4.6 X 42 / 49
lets go with 3 into 5 .. some mata fina inside, capa corojo oscuro
4.6 X 42 / 49
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Really nice job! Mighty dark looking CT Shade wrapper. Would you mind telling me your sources for those various interesting leafs? Thanks!
Braziliant!
You would think that, after years of doing this, I would instinctively recognize that cigar leaf needs to age--really age--even after it has been kilned. But I put too much faith in the thoroughness of my 30 days of kilning (because the leaf has so deliciously transformed itself), and assume that a few weeks of post-kiln resting will give me a fair picture of a cigar leaf's character.
But even cigar newbies know that cigar aging is not measured in dog-years. During the 2015 season, I grew a small number of plants of Bahia, which is the actual varietal name of what is labeled "Mata Fina" in the tobacco trade. (Mata Fina is the district of Brazil in which the Bahia leaf is grown.) My Bahia performed well, with reasonable productivity. After kilning, and a period of rest, the leaf made good cigars, but lacked the easily recognized "dusty, dry and dark" aroma of Brazilian cigars (and WLT Mata Fina leaf).
From 2015.
The now-extinct Suerdiek cigars presented, in their crudely rolled sticks, the prototypical Brazilian Mata Fina tobacco taste. I confess to having smoked too many of them during the 1970s.
My Bahia leaf was good, but it just couldn't do the Brazil thing. UNTIL...I allowed a bag of my Bahia ligero to age for two years. Now I understand why all those nearly black Suerdieck Caballeros were such ugly things to look at. Truly aged Bahia ligero has zero stretch. So they just rolled them ugly. That black leaf can't compress anything. To roll my still-lumpy "puro" shown above, I used a scrap of WLT Ecuador Shade as a binder (it's not all that sturdy) to keep the all-ligero Bahia filler in a single Zipcode. Then I delicately laid the Bahia oscuro wrapper over that.
Suerdieck Caballeros were slim panatellas. I went more for a fat boy.
Unlike most ligero of other varieties, this stuff burns like a torch, if you let it. One might expect a shiny black oscuro wrapper to offer a bit of sweetness, but this does not. It's all "dusty, dry and dark." And yummy! Although the aged Bahia ligero definitely does not taste or smell like chocolate, I will make the analogy with 99% cocoa, dark chocolate--it is not sweet or candy like, but is deep, rich and intense.
If only it were easier to set aside large quantities of my home-grown cigar varieties for a minimum of two years.
Bob
You would think that, after years of doing this, I would instinctively recognize that cigar leaf needs to age--really age--even after it has been kilned. But I put too much faith in the thoroughness of my 30 days of kilning (because the leaf has so deliciously transformed itself), and assume that a few weeks of post-kiln resting will give me a fair picture of a cigar leaf's character.
But even cigar newbies know that cigar aging is not measured in dog-years. During the 2015 season, I grew a small number of plants of Bahia, which is the actual varietal name of what is labeled "Mata Fina" in the tobacco trade. (Mata Fina is the district of Brazil in which the Bahia leaf is grown.) My Bahia performed well, with reasonable productivity. After kilning, and a period of rest, the leaf made good cigars, but lacked the easily recognized "dusty, dry and dark" aroma of Brazilian cigars (and WLT Mata Fina leaf).
From 2015.
The now-extinct Suerdiek cigars presented, in their crudely rolled sticks, the prototypical Brazilian Mata Fina tobacco taste. I confess to having smoked too many of them during the 1970s.
My Bahia leaf was good, but it just couldn't do the Brazil thing. UNTIL...I allowed a bag of my Bahia ligero to age for two years. Now I understand why all those nearly black Suerdieck Caballeros were such ugly things to look at. Truly aged Bahia ligero has zero stretch. So they just rolled them ugly. That black leaf can't compress anything. To roll my still-lumpy "puro" shown above, I used a scrap of WLT Ecuador Shade as a binder (it's not all that sturdy) to keep the all-ligero Bahia filler in a single Zipcode. Then I delicately laid the Bahia oscuro wrapper over that.
Suerdieck Caballeros were slim panatellas. I went more for a fat boy.
Unlike most ligero of other varieties, this stuff burns like a torch, if you let it. One might expect a shiny black oscuro wrapper to offer a bit of sweetness, but this does not. It's all "dusty, dry and dark." And yummy! Although the aged Bahia ligero definitely does not taste or smell like chocolate, I will make the analogy with 99% cocoa, dark chocolate--it is not sweet or candy like, but is deep, rich and intense.
If only it were easier to set aside large quantities of my home-grown cigar varieties for a minimum of two years.
Bob
jojjas
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Was attending to , Havana cigar fiesta 2 weeks ago here in sweden
Smoking great cigar´s , listen to people with different speciallitys and much more
Here´ is challenge for you guy´s to duplicate
From Royal Danish cigars
A cigar with 6 different wrapper´s just , to detect and get to know what you prefer
From the right Cameroon,
Connecticut Shade ,
Sumatra ,
Jalapa Corojo from nicaragua ,
Connecticut Shade aged long time (did not get know how long , but a big difference to first one ) ,
then last Ecuador Habano Maduro (imho the best taste of the 6 different varietys)
Filler was only domican tobacco
Was also promoting WLT products in this event , had rolled 20 cigars (10 each) of my 2 favorite blends , they was accepted with great curiosity and all of them was gone the first day , lets hope Don has some new business opportunities here in sweden and denmark
Smoking great cigar´s , listen to people with different speciallitys and much more
Here´ is challenge for you guy´s to duplicate
From Royal Danish cigars
A cigar with 6 different wrapper´s just , to detect and get to know what you prefer
From the right Cameroon,
Connecticut Shade ,
Sumatra ,
Jalapa Corojo from nicaragua ,
Connecticut Shade aged long time (did not get know how long , but a big difference to first one ) ,
then last Ecuador Habano Maduro (imho the best taste of the 6 different varietys)
Filler was only domican tobacco
Was also promoting WLT products in this event , had rolled 20 cigars (10 each) of my 2 favorite blends , they was accepted with great curiosity and all of them was gone the first day , lets hope Don has some new business opportunities here in sweden and denmark
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