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I love good old diners - not many in the south, s I look for the when I travel.

Okay, so now you have the general idea. I can send you plans for a brick barbecue pit, but why not give it a try first to see if you like it? For small batches, I use a cheap knock-off of a bullet smoker like this name brand one: http://www.virtualweberbullet.com/ I got mine for $50 at Lowes hardware, but have seen them cheeper at goodwill and such. Get a pork shoulder or Boston Butt (actually the upper part of the shoulder). Wash it, dry it, salt it heavily with non-iodize table salt... a good layer of salt on all sides. Get some hardwood lump charcoal going, put some hickory chunks on the coals. Oil the grill and put the pork on, fat side up. Cook it at 200 - 225 for five hours, checking frequently so that it doesn't get to hot. Add a little more coal and wood as needed. Turn the meat over and cook for another 5 hours. Drink some beers - relax, etc. remove from the grill and let cool. Pull the meat off the bone in big chunks. Throw the bone to the dog or save for soup. CHop up the meat roughly with a cleaver (not too small). Eat with our without sauce. It is really that simple. If you want to do a whole hog, you'll need a bigger pit - just double the time to 20 hours and chop everything up together. Let me know if you need sauce or slaw recipes.
 

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PS If you use a bullet smoker, throw out the big metal bowl that the instructions say you are supposed to use. The magic happens as the fat drips on the coals and makes flavorful smoke. Only once on Diners, Drive-Ins and Dives have I seen Guy Fieri eat barbecue cooked this way (event hough he's been to dozens of "NC stye" places) and he couldn't believe it. He said, "If you hadn't told me, I would have thought there was all kinds of spices and complex flavoring rubbed onto this - this is amazing!".

Also, you don't have to buy a smoker. You can make one with an metal trash can or go really old school and dig a pit, or just stack some cinder block and use rebar and a sheet of tin to cover it. You'll have to stick your hand in to figure out the temp though.... and that is actually how I measure temp - just takes practice.
 

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Thanks oldsouth, I'm not a big barbecue fan. However I read and drooled a lot. I've got a bullet smoker and might give it a try. I do smoked ribs in it and have not been completely satisfied with it. I'm considering curing the ribs, cold smoking then for a few hours and finishing both dry and sauced in the regular oven. The sauce I use is "Blues Hog." Sometimes I mess with it a bit to get the flavor I prefer.

Mostly I want to perfect curing and cold smoking hams, bacon and Canadian bacon. From my reading it seems that I can cure most any solid chunk of pork, in a net bag, and then smoke it. It do a lot of sausage, both breakfast and Italian, so the scraps and some of the fat will get used. I haven't tried rendering lard yet but that is likely on the menu also. I like lard for my pie crusts and so do my kids and G-kids.

The smokey dark bacon fat is wonderful for frying an egg or two.

I am starting to win the low weight battle. I have managed to get it back up to 150. Only 5 more pounds to go.

John

Oh Yeah, my poison of choice is Vodka and there isn't a drop of Russian blood in me.
 

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The old saying in NC is that pigs don't have ribs! Basically, with a whole hog everything gets chopped together and the cooks get the ribs and loin before they are served... unless it is a pig pickin' where everybody pulls off their favorite bits - but only a small portion of the state goes whole hog. Most NC folks only have pork shoulders on the menu at their favorite joints. The same is true for SC, but they have a delicious gastronomical oddity known as "hash", where all of the leftover bits, including organ meats, are cooked down with onions and spices into a thick soup that is served with rice.

As for the cold smoked cured meats, check out that book - the Charcuterie cookbook - it is an amazing collection of recipes. I've been working through it for a couple of years and barely scratched the surface.

I have the same problem with weight - I'm usually right around 200 lbs at 6'4, but I drop weight like crazy if I get sick. Just like the whole anti-smoking propaganda, I think a good, robust weight is best for your health no matter what the Body Mass Index fanatics say.

I'm a bourbon drinker myself... and have a few family recipes for that too. They would work as vodka, if not aged in charred wood. But, of course, that is illegal..... and, of course, I don't don't drive more than 59 mph because I'm such a law abiding citizen! Home made vodka, or white liquor/lightening/moonshine also burns like hell and will hit you like a ton of bricks!
 

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Pits from The Lexington COllection:

[SIZE=+1]The Rufus Memorial Pit[/SIZE]
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Dan Gill's classical eastern North Carolina pit.

Here it is, folks! The world's greatest backyard barbecue pit. This one is nothing more than cinder blocks layed out on the ground and filled with sand. The lid happens to be a cover off an old turkey feeder, but a sheet of tin roofing would do just as well.

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The guest of honor (in this case Rufus himself) is layed on a rack or bars over the coals.

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A block or two are removed when more coals are needed.

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Next thing you know, a pig pickin' breaks out!
 

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[SIZE=+1]The "Wilber D. Hog" Pit[/SIZE]
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Design Considerations
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Sidney R. Pig, Wilber's Fraternal Twin Brother

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North Carolina Pulled Pork Barbecue


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I ordered the book. It looks like a winner. We have got to swap lies one day.

Thanks,
John

Sounds good - I think I've pretty much settled on moving back to GA. We're allowed one yankee guest per year down there - a bunch of guys that look like Hank Williams Jr and and Charlie Daniels stop you at the border to check for carpet baggers..... I'll make your reservation now and plan to condense some steam from exotic extracts of grain to toast your arrival. ;-)
 

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I forgot to mention that in Eastern NC, the tobacco harvest used to be celebrated with a big barbecue/pig pickin'! The pigs would be cooked in the tobacco barns, just using the cookers used to cure the tobacco - very low and slow! Those were halcyon days - black white and Indian farmers coming together to help each other with their crops and celebrating with jugs of home made whiskey and cider. The women would bake "pig pickin' cakes containing pineapple and coconut. And oh man that banana pudding! These days, banana pudding is almost always comes out of a package mix. I remember (an sought out the recipe for) the real deal, a real custard made from eggs and fresh milk, sugar, bananas and vanilla..... the WSM Grand Ole Opry playing on the radio, politicians making the rounds, kids playing baseball into the dkar, old men telling stories, boiled peanuts and fried okra, couples slipping off to the woods, a cute little blonde named Sarah who always seemed to smell like magnolia blossoms in the heavy night air ...good times, good times.....
 

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JohnLee made me hungry for more bacon...oops I got a shoat. Maybe a whole hog barbeque. It was a 2 cigar trip.
I cheated and pulled some havana 425 out of the kiln early and was totoly surprised in the difference from th raw leaf.
It was a real thin stretchable wrapper . I'm not really qualified for a taste test, But I liked it.
 

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JohnLee made me hungry for more bacon...oops I got a shoat. Maybe a whole hog barbeque. It was a 2 cigar trip.
I cheated and pulled some havana 425 out of the kiln early and was totoly surprised in the difference from th raw leaf.
It was a real thin stretchable wrapper . I'm not really qualified for a taste test, But I liked it.
Would you please send me a couple of leaves of the 425? I smoke and like the 142 and would like to see if the 425 is substantially different. Would you recommend it for filler?

Do you have any MD 609? If not any would like to try it I'll send you a couple of leaves. Right now I am smoking it and the Havana and am leaning toward the Havana for my regular smoke


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so that 142 is edging out brightleaf as the main filler of choice?? it might be time to buy some more, i'm forgetting what it tasted like.
 

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so that 142 is edging out brightleaf as the main filler of choice?? it might be time to buy some more, i'm forgetting what it tasted like.
For me yes. I don't like bright leaf at all. I shred it for my buddy and his wife for cigs so I have plenty. I tried it and to me it was harsher than either the 609 or 142.

If you'd like a few leaves to try let me know and I'll send them along.

John
 

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Thank you for the offer, it might be time to send some business Don's way though, if he has some in stock it might be from earlier stock so already aged. No kiln here yet (I gotta fix that)
 

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Would you please send me a couple of leaves of the 425? I smoke and like the 142 and would like to see if the 425 is substantially different. Would you recommend it for filler?

Do you have any MD 609? If not any would like to try it I'll send you a couple of leaves. Right now I am smoking it and the Havana and am leaning toward the Havana for my regular smoke


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John
John, I like the 142 unkilned[the only way I have tried], I have tried the 425 un- kilned and its not as good by itself I think. I rolled a short puro[kilned] of it this morning but the case was still a little high to evaluate properly It does make a really good wrapper though. I grew some MD 609, One of the above cigars. I will send you some of the H-425 kilned leaf and unkilned later this week so you can try.
 

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John, I like the 142 unkilned[the only way I have tried], I have tried the 425 un- kilned and its not as good by itself I think. I rolled a short puro[kilned] of it this morning but the case was still a little high to evaluate properly It does make a really good wrapper though. I grew some MD 609, One of the above cigars. I will send you some of the H-425 kilned leaf and unkilned later this week so you can try.
Thanks Tim.

John
 

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The seed catalogs started coming in last week, with Dixondale Farms onion catalog the first to arrive. Yesterday Pinetree Garden Seeds and Accessories arrived. I see that this year they are offering tobacco seed...9 varieties and a Cultivators Handbook. In their write up on raising tobacco they say "Plants can grow to over 5 feet so each plant merits a couple square feet of space." They might need to modify that a bit!

The seed catalogs always get my annual planting fever juiced up...hoping to do a lot better job of controlling it this year. Would like to catch more fish in 2013...the weather is so super nice here today that I think I'll see if the crappie are biting.
Ray
 
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