BarG
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Damn,Thanks Bob. I was thinking backwards...again
I should move closer to pivot to increase pressure.
I should move closer to pivot to increase pressure.
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BarG
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Any noticable difference, I salvaged these 4x4s from my mothers yard when I built her a new fence. They did not look so pretty when I demolished the old fence, these are now 3.25" x3.25" fours.
BarG
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View attachment 1880View attachment 1881 Any noticable difference, I salvaged these 4x4s from my mothers yard when I built her a new fence. They did not look so pretty when I demolished the old fence, these are now 3.25" x3.25" fours.
Edit; OOPS it went 2wice
Edit; OOPS it went 2wice
Nice looking work Tim. You can make my toothpicks anytime.
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Steve2md
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I've been using a rolling pin to flatten my wrapper while in high case. if I decide not to roll a cigar, I layer them in paper towels until they are dry enough to store without mold, then just mist them to bring them back up when I'm ready. Pressing could save me a ton of headache
I think you will be grossed out. Spanish Cedar is what is used for tobacco... and.. I must have missed something along the way, but what is the press used for?
Randy B
BarG
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Smokesahoy was trying to figure what his attic was lined with. I alredy know I won'store in the aromatic cedar.
I am using the press to store leaves with an acceptable amount of damage in a specified storage bag. 2 1/2 gallon ziplocks. For resealable access.I'm experimenting with my bursa and ottoman becauese the leaves fit half way decent in a 14 3/8" x 16" ziplock.Getting them in to fill to capacity just became easier after Bob showed me the error of my ways.
Randy; I was copying a version of Bobs cheese press he also uses for his destemmed wrapper leaves prior to kilning. It has stuck in my brain ever since and he recently posted plans for, that I couldn't read even with my glasses on. The formula I will definitly save to my notebook.
I am using the press to store leaves with an acceptable amount of damage in a specified storage bag. 2 1/2 gallon ziplocks. For resealable access.I'm experimenting with my bursa and ottoman becauese the leaves fit half way decent in a 14 3/8" x 16" ziplock.Getting them in to fill to capacity just became easier after Bob showed me the error of my ways.
Randy; I was copying a version of Bobs cheese press he also uses for his destemmed wrapper leaves prior to kilning. It has stuck in my brain ever since and he recently posted plans for, that I couldn't read even with my glasses on.
The formula I will definitly save to my notebook.
Gotcha!..
BarG
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Ive been so spoiled using Don's bezuki wrappers already flattened,fermented and minimal effort to bring in to proper rolling case, I won't know what to expect 3.5 weeks from now. I just hope I don't run out of Bezuki.
One other engineering aspect of a lever press to keep in mind. The forces are always equal. If you rig it so that the piston is receiving 100 pounds of force downward, then the base of the pivot post is getting pulled upward with 100 pounds of force. The piston, pressed against the press box, is acting as another pivot, and attempting to yank the pivot post out of its anchor.
One of the beauties of a lever press is that you don't need to do any math. Just mark a spot on the lever arm, then place the piston there, with a bathroom scale beneath it. (With a know weight in the bucket--say, 40 pounds), the bathroom scale will tell you how much force is pressing on the piston at that lever point. Label that mark on the lever. Move the point toward or away from the pivot, and repeat. You will end up with a calibrated set of marks on the lever. If you weigh and mark a point as, say, 160 pounds, then with the piston at that point, you will always get 160 pounds pressure downward at the piston, and 160 pounds of upward traction on the pivot.
Bob
One of the beauties of a lever press is that you don't need to do any math. Just mark a spot on the lever arm, then place the piston there, with a bathroom scale beneath it. (With a know weight in the bucket--say, 40 pounds), the bathroom scale will tell you how much force is pressing on the piston at that lever point. Label that mark on the lever. Move the point toward or away from the pivot, and repeat. You will end up with a calibrated set of marks on the lever. If you weigh and mark a point as, say, 160 pounds, then with the piston at that point, you will always get 160 pounds pressure downward at the piston, and 160 pounds of upward traction on the pivot.
Bob
BarG
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Thats cool Bob. Your press was an inspiration for mine. I'm in my don't cost a dime mode , just a little time.
Its nice to understand all the principles behind the idea.
It will have to be my best guess for now.
Its nice to understand all the principles behind the idea.
It will have to be my best guess for now.
You just did an excellent description of an old time balance/bar scale in reverse. I have a couple from the old family woolen mill hanging on the fire place as decoration. They still work just fine.
John
BarG
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I have all my cig. baccy bagged now and a bit of the cigar filler, not much. I need to find some ziplocks bigger than the 2.5 gallon for my wrapper leaves.
It would be nice to have some 18" x 30" bags. I'm still in a bit of dilemna on the best way to store in whole leaf form with out damaging. I am open for suggestions. Next year a permanent tobacco storage shed is not out of the question to cut down on labor and damage to leaves.
The lever press was a real boost for lightly pressing leaves before packing. Just put the hands down under center with a cover board and pull down on lever and add a couple more staggering the stem ends and press again. for long leaves fold and press before packing. I trimmed the stem ends on a lot of the hands.
It would be nice to have some 18" x 30" bags. I'm still in a bit of dilemna on the best way to store in whole leaf form with out damaging. I am open for suggestions. Next year a permanent tobacco storage shed is not out of the question to cut down on labor and damage to leaves.
The lever press was a real boost for lightly pressing leaves before packing. Just put the hands down under center with a cover board and pull down on lever and add a couple more staggering the stem ends and press again. for long leaves fold and press before packing. I trimmed the stem ends on a lot of the hands.
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For bags have you tried grocery store produce bags with their matching twist tie? I've received leaf from vendors this way before and it seemed fine
BarG
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Ive never seen them , but I would prefer something along the lines of a resealable ziplock. I don't want to bunch the end to tie off . I would prefer to save the leaf in a flat position and not pressed unless very light press to get into bag and then storing flat and not disturbing till ready to bring back into case. A permanent storage area next year will solve the problem by just hanging in a controlled environment. But I have a lot of realy nice big leaves from the Havana 425, Pa. Red ,Fl. Sumatra and Ct. broadleaf. Not to mention all the mid size wrapper and binder quality. Tops and smaller leaves can be bagged.
notcrack
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It takes a while longer than ziploc bags, but consider getting yourself a heat sealer and some high grade lay flat tubing. That way you only have to folder the leaves via the stem and slid them in. Seal both ends and you're set. If you open it for a leaf, just reseal it after. Thats how I keep mine.
BarG
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Us plastics has in 1000' rolls but do not want to spend that much and the heat sealer to go with. I'm trying to avoid any mishandling whatsoever till I get a little practice under my belt.
Edit; Another point being my want for the ziplock type or similar is I can pack if case is a little high for a permanent seal and keep a close eye till proper case is achieved, to avoid mold.
Edit #2: I wonder If I could buy the heat sealer and make my own bags out of construction 6 mil clear plastic. I have a roll 10' x 20' x 60' left over. Has anyone ever tried? I'll have to try a sample with my seal a meal. You could lay out the hands and seal the ends and in between for selective use and not seal till case is just right or just tape shut for that matter. A roll or 2 of packing tape sounds like it may solve my problem. They do not need to be vacume sealed just protected. And stored in safe place to prevent damage.
Edit; Another point being my want for the ziplock type or similar is I can pack if case is a little high for a permanent seal and keep a close eye till proper case is achieved, to avoid mold.
Edit #2: I wonder If I could buy the heat sealer and make my own bags out of construction 6 mil clear plastic. I have a roll 10' x 20' x 60' left over. Has anyone ever tried? I'll have to try a sample with my seal a meal. You could lay out the hands and seal the ends and in between for selective use and not seal till case is just right or just tape shut for that matter. A roll or 2 of packing tape sounds like it may solve my problem. They do not need to be vacume sealed just protected. And stored in safe place to prevent damage.
BarG
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Steve, as soon as my first batch of wrappers come out of my new kiln I plan on trying to press a few practice leaves to store in a whole leaf wrapper form. Your welcome to some samples in a couple 3 weeks yet. I'm thinking it might be better than a clothes wringer.
Steve2md
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Awesome! Although you've got me thinking about a clothes wringer now....... I wonder if a sheet metal roller would do the trick? It would probably destroy a few leaves getting it adjusted though
BarG
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Here is a cross link to my shopping cart. I added a webpage for tobacco whole leaf to help encourage new members. It is still a work in progress . The tobacco is for sale as a limited supply But I highly recommend purchasing any whole leaf orders thru www.Wholeleaftobacco.com
with your request for some Excellent ready to roll cigar wrappers and cigar and cigarette packages..
The website http://www.bargwoodworks.comis for woodturners and selling harvested unique wood and wood products.
feel free to visit and be sure to check out the photo album link A tobacco photo album soon to come. http://photos.bargwoodworks.com/AlbumHomeView.aspx
with your request for some Excellent ready to roll cigar wrappers and cigar and cigarette packages..
The website http://www.bargwoodworks.comis for woodturners and selling harvested unique wood and wood products.
feel free to visit and be sure to check out the photo album link A tobacco photo album soon to come. http://photos.bargwoodworks.com/AlbumHomeView.aspx
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