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chillardbee

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As the title suggests, I'm growing for seed this year. The varieties this year will be flue cured, dark air cured, burleys, and oriental with maybe a few primitives and all this thanks to the wonderful people on the forum who have traded with me. I will also be doing a grow out of 6 cigar varieties courtesy of Deluxestogie. I'll likely have a few doubles and even a few triples of a variety, but that could prove intresting to see if there are any differences.

I've got the idea of the garden lay out this year and still need to put it in ink but the idea is to have 5 double rows. The 2 rows will be 1' 9" apart with a plant spacing of 1' within that double row but 2' per row so the plants will alternate with a pattern like this(' , ' , ' , ' ,). The double rows will be spaced 4' apart. The rows are 50' long thus there will be 100 plants per double row.

The Plan is to grow 4 plants of each variety close to each other thus I should get 25 varieties in each row for a total of 125 varieties for a total of 500 plants. What I would like to do this year for bagging plant for seed is to take the 4 plants and bring them all together at or near the crows foot and put the bag over all four plants and seal it where the 4 plants were tied together thus I will cut the cost on seed bags and also save a hell of a lot of time. Unlike last year, in wich I also grew 500 plants, This year I will have the whole garden rather than the 1/3 I had last year.

I'm not worried so much about getting any amount of baccy from the plants and of course there will be no topping on anything this year since I'm going for seed. Nevertheless, I should still get a good quantity, at least enough for a good year of smoke. As a matter of fact, I should be able to get more this year due to the spacing. I won't be going for a sucker crop either, or at least I don't think so. My hands will be to full as it is with dealing with a seed harvest and what all I'll need to be doing with the bees.

Harvesting this year will take on a different method. I've got over 125 sticks all ready with string and I'd like to hang each variety on there own stick, labled, and a band of tape to indecate the various primings along the stick. I'll be sun curing the orientals probably quit a few of the fluecured varieties as well. As for my solar fluecure shed that I would of liked to build this year, that will have to wait. This year and next will be my seed years and next year I'd like to concentrate on cigar varieties mainly.

So, as for whats happening now in the garden, I've got a few more roots to pull, some clean up from last year, and a compost pile I've been lovingly caring for. After I get the roots out and the rows measured out I'll be turning over soil of the rows where I'll be planting in. This will make it easier on this 40 year old long haired red neck baccy growing beekeeper. I'm also allowing a 3 foot buffer zone from the neighbors easement line.

At some point, once I get all the seeds accounted for frome everyone who's sending them, I'll post the chosen varieties (and thats going to be a big post).
 

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Quite an undertaking......especially at the seedling and seed collecting stages.
 

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Well it looks like you will be busy there Will, mind you I like doing grow outs it is worth all the hard work in the end.
 

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I recommend being more selective with your bagging than you've indicated in your post. First select based on the plant holding true to type. That's the most important selection, over riding all the others. Then select for secondary attributes like low suckering, or early flower, or fewer bug damage, or heavy production, etc. from the plants that hold true to type. You can influence these attributes over a number of years. Rather than planning on drawing all four of your plants together, select one or two plants for genetics. You can allow the top two suckers to grow on the best plant or two, thereby creating three seed heads on those plants with the best genetics. Then pull those seed heads together into one bag.

The leaf from your grow out will be just fine for harvest. They may be smaller and have a little less nicotine than if you had topped them, but all that leaf will add up. You can top the plants that you don't select to bag based on the genetics, so about half your crop will be topped. Good luck with your grow. Keeping all those varieties separate is a job unto itself. I use labeled stakes in the ground between each variety, then I use labeled survey tape tied around each and every bag. The survey tape worked very good for me and is cheap. It's made for writing on and will last the season. When I pull the seed pods off, I put them in labeled zip lock baggies. Then after cleaning I put the seed in labeled 2x3" zip locks. Every step has a label and only one bag, baggie, and zip lock is handled at a time.
 

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That would be ideal Knucks and I hope I can do that. one of the ideas I had originally was to do a cluster grow and let the plants fight it out and may the stongest plants win. In the last 2 seasons I've had the numbers per variety to select the best plants and I've seem first hand with the del gold that I saved seed from in 2012 from the tallest biggest leafed plants that it seem the plants from del gold grown last year were exceptional and better overall then most of the plants from 2012 despited the spacing and soil compaction. The main main thing is having enough of one variety to base a selection on and If I was to kind of do a cluster grow, I could end up with 8-10 plants from which I could select 2 plants from. When I say cluster grow I'm refering to seeding a 8" 1 gallon pot and thinning them as they go along (the runts) so that in the end there would be 8-10 plants left in the container and then just planting that pot in one hole. I think that there would be out of that, 1-2 outstanding plants at the end of the season to be able to get seed from.

I've always kind of wanted to see what a pot of unthinned plants would grow into though. I don't know if anyone has ever tried that but maybe I should test this out, eh? It would simplify life a great deal for me this summer too. It would also mean that if I do get even 8 plant average per variety, I'm all of a sudden looking at harvesting 1000 plants rather than 500.

All I can say is that I'm looking forward to the time that my wife and I are moved onto our property up north so I can plant an honest to goodness grow with proper spacing. a 3000 plants on a 1/2 acre sounds good.
 

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Got all the roots up. I've got some raised beds that I'll be dismanteling and the soil (still rich with rotted manure) will become part of the compost the next time I turn it. I still got lots of time but I still can't wiat.
 

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Me, too. There were times last year I swore I would never do it again, that I needed to have my head examined for even starting. Now I can't wait to do it all over again. I've looked forward to it all winter.
 

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This season is going to be interesting and great. Will, go for it. I will make fingers crossed for all your luck.
 

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Well, I got as far as the roots puuled out then the weather took a turn for the worst. Heavy rain and winds have prevented me from doing anything out side and it's funny how life can get busy. but now in the last 4-5 days we have had good weather with sun and above seasonal temps. This weekend we slaughtered 10 chickens (gonna rot remains for mid summer fertilizer) and today I'll be kick starting the bees with a protien juice.

quick note on bees: 66 hives into winter and 64 alive now for a mere 3% loss. 6 hives questionable but with a little tlc they will be fine. hives are averaging basket ball size clusters (this is good) and they have had dry sugar put on just in case their stores got low. most didn't need it but some wouldn't of made it to the 2-3 week period and they will need constant feed from here on in until the april flow starts.

This week they are calling for good weather and I hope with in this week I can get most everything cleaned and ready in the garden. I won't be using fertilizers from the store this year because i think it does effect the quality of the leaf so I'll be making compost tea using what out there now plus the cleanings from the bottom boards of the hives (extremely effective).

From the seed exchange I got 89 varieties and more yet to come (thanks you all) and this week I'll be sending all your seeds.

I don't know but with the way the bees are and the weather is, my beekeepers senses are telling me that this year could be that 1 in 20 bumper year, my prediction anyway, but then i've been saying that for the last 7 years too.

I'm going to take some before and after pics of the garden and post next week. see ya all then.
 

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Well, time for an update.

Weather in february has not been nice in contrast to the balmy 38F (13c) highs of sunshiny weather we had for the last part of Janurary. February started with a 2 week artic outflow cold snap which turned to storm winds them to snow for the second last weekend and then a lot more snow for the last weekend of February. I've done a bit out in the garden but I've been limited to the weather.

Meantime, I've been sorting out the seeds I've recieved. A total of 166 packs, some varities I have 2 or 3 of but from different locations. So I am writting up the list to organize everything So I can make a good selection. Priority is being given to fluecured, oriental, burley, maryland. 6 cigar varieties from Bob are are going in for a grow out as well. In planning this years garden, I've been raking my brain as to how I'll get it all set up for ease of management and making the most of the available space. One thing I've been contemplating is keeping 3-5 plants to grow together per pot and having 4 pot of each varity so that I can have more plants to choose from. It seems that when a cluster of plants are grown like that there's always a dominate one and those would be the ones I would use for seed.

I finally got the pics off my camera so I can actually start photographing again. I see in my photos that I had taken video of me string baccy, I'll get that posted soon.

Time seems to be flying by and although I've done quite a bit of work in the garden and in the bees, I still feel so unprepared. In 6 weeks I will be starting my seeds while also starting my queen rearing in my bees and 6 weeks goes by very fast.
 

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Well. I finally got the list together for the 125 varieties I'll be growing.

Markw-
1. TI 751--------------------------Primitive
2. TI 712--------------------------Primitive
3. Bursa---------------------------Oriental
4. Ottoman HY----------------------Oriental
5. Yellow twist bud----------------Burley
6. Jupiter German------------------Burley
7. TN 90---------------------------Burley
8. Black Sea Samson----------------Oriental
9. MCY-----------------------------Burley
10. Virginia Gold------------------Fluecure
Darren1979-
11. Adonis-------------------------Dark air cured
12. samson-------------------------Oriental
13. Virginia gold------------------Fluecure
indianjoe-
14. One Sucker---------------------Dark air cured
15. Perique------------------------Dark air cured
16. Ergo---------------------------Burley
17. Yayladag-----------------------Oriental
18. Silver river-------------------burley/other
19. TN Red-------------------------Air cured
DGBAMA-
20. Izmir--------------------------Oriental
21. Bursa--------------------------Oriental
22. yellow twist bud---------------Burley
23. Silver river-------------------Burley/Other
24. VA gold------------------------Fluecured
25. yayladag-----------------------Oriental
Michibaccy-
26. Yellow Twist Bub---------------Burley
27. VBL----------------------------Fluecured
28. Xhanti Yaka--------------------Oriental
Madhouse-
29. Silk leaf----------------------Fluecured
30. Turkish izmir------------------Oriental
31. Vesta 64-----------------------Fluecured
32. Oreintal samsoun---------------Oriental
33. Cherry red---------------------Fluecured
34. Bursa--------------------------Oriental
35. Red russian--------------------Other
36. Aztec--------------------------Primitive
37. shirey-------------------------Dark air cured
Knucklehead-
38. Harmanliiska Basma 163---------Oriental
39. Krumovgrad 90------------------Oriental
40. Dixie bright 27----------------Fluecured
41. Samsun maidem------------------Oriental
42. Sultansko----------------------Oriental
43. Alma-Ata 315-------------------Oriental
44. McNair 373---------------------Fluecured
45. Reams 158----------------------Fluecured
46. Kozarsko 541-------------------Oriental
47. Vesta 64-----------------------Fluecured
48. Nevrokop 5---------------------Oriental
49. K 326--------------------------Fluecured
50. Djebel 174---------------------Oriental
Jojjas-
51. Peremochez---------------------Oriental

Dimitris-
52. Virginia gold------------------Fluecured
53. burley jupiter-----------------Burley
54. Black sea basma----------------Oriental
55. Maryland 605-------------------Maryland
Deluxestogie-
56. PA swarr-Hibshman--------------Cigar filler
57. Havana 322---------------------Cigar Binder
58. Scantic------------------------Cigar Wrapper
59. Metacomet----------------------Cigar Wrapper
60. Gen 911------------------------Cigar Wrapper
61. CT-49--------------------------Cigar Wrapper
DonH-
62. One sucker---------------------Dark air cured
63. catterton----------------------Maryland
64. YTB----------------------------Burley
65. Hungarian Baiano---------------hungarian
66. Xanthi yaka--------------------Oriental
67. del gold-----------------------Fluecured
68. ottoman------------------------Oriental
69. kelly burley-------------------Burley
70. Bursa--------------------------Oriental
71. African red--------------------Fluecured
72. VBL----------------------------Fluecured
73. Big gem------------------------Fluecured
74. Samsun-------------------------Oriental
75. Lizard tail orinoco------------Fluecured/Other
Rain max-
76. Timor--------------------------Other
77. Virginia gold------------------Fluecured
78. Lemon bright-------------------Fluecured
79. izmir-ozbas--------------------Oriental
80. Bursa--------------------------Oriental
81. Bafra--------------------------Oriental
82. PI 118177 Guancharo------------Cigar Filler
83. PI 494159 Mutki----------------Oriental
84. PI 552353 Dixie shade----------Cigar Wrapper
85. PI 552418 Xanthi yaka No18A----Oriental
86. PI 552432 Havana 38------------Cigar binder
87. PI 552690 Little crittenden----Dark air/Fire
88. PI 481860 Samsun Maden---------Oriental
89. Prilep P66-9/7-----------------Oriental
90. Prilep 79-94-------------------Oriental
Hasse SWE-
91. Tennesse redleaf---------------Air cured
92. Orinoco------------------------Primitive
93. Burley Var. compact------------Burley
94. Alida--------------------------Fluecured
95. Virginia gold------------------Fluecured
96. Ergo Burley--------------------Burley
Lakota-
97. Little wood------------------------Fire cured
98. Sears special---------------------Fire cured
99. Woods----------------------------Fire cured
100. DF 911--------------------------Fire cured
101. DT 508---------------------------Fire cure
102. Narrow leaf madole-------------Fire cured
103. VA 309--------------------------Air/fire cured
104. KT-D4---------------------------Air/fire cured
105. Little crittenden-----------------Air/Fire cured
106. Maryland 14-D2-----------------Maryland
107. VH madole-----------------------Dark air cured
108. VA 355---------------------------Dark air cured
109. KY 190---------------------------Dark air cured
110. Eshly #1 Type 41----------------Maryland
111. Pennlan Type 41-----------------Maryland
112. M&N------------------------------Dark air cured
113. Va 359---------------------------Air/Fire cured
114. VA 407---------------------------Sun cured
115. VA 409---------------------------Sun cured
116. Ash-------------------------------Maryland
117. Mack type 41--------------------Maryland
118. Maryland 40---------------------Maryland
119. Baur-----------------------------Maryland
120. Dean-----------------------------Maryland
121. MD 64---------------------------Maryland
122. Maryland 59--------------------Maryland
123. Welks pride type 41------------Maryland
124. Maryland 21--------------------Maryland
125. N7371---------------------------Burley

I have most likely misspelled som of them or given them a wrong type so feel free to correct me where needed. I had to do a lot of research to get to know the types of some of these plants. There are a few other varieties that I'm waiting to find out if they are available, 2 orientals and 4 fluecured, If I'm able to get them they'll be going into the ground too. All of these are grow outs for seed

Thank you all who sent the seeds to me, Now excuse me while I go shackle myself to the garden :D
 

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WOW~!........the only word I can think of right now for your list. I will be following your progress; may it be a good year.
 

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I would love to have that grow. However space is the only thing stoping that. The seed list is awsome and as well as the folks that helped as did with Me. Sorry to here about the seed that was desroyed by the jerks. I think they jacked it .(gov)
 

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Deluxe Stogie is the only one I'm growing cigars from for this years grow out needs. Next year I'll be growing a lot more cigar varieties. Rainmax requested the return of his seed and I guess there are some cigar varieties in there too but all of his seeds will be grown.
 

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... rainmax requested the return of his seed and I guess there are some cigar varieties in there too but all of his seeds will be grown.

76. Timor--------------------------Other
77. Virginia gold------------------Fluecured
78. Lemon bright-------------------Fluecured
79. izmir-ozbas--------------------Oriental
80. Bursa--------------------------Oriental
81. Bafra--------------------------Oriental

this are the seeds I'm interested in, because I'm not sure I will grow them this year. The rest I already have.
 

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That's a staggering list. I'm creaking under the burden of 30 varieties this year. (I've got 96 Popsicle sticks to label tonight.)

Bob
 

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Holy s#@t..thats a list alright. ..looks like a seed bank on its own. Hahaa..good luck C.B your gonna need it. Lol..you'll be right. .long as you have the space. That's the main thing. .o and time. .
Hey are you going to grow the same varieties from different people?y.t.b×4 ..Virginia gold ×5 varieties etc. ?
 

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A massive list you have there Will, I hope it goes well for you . I will be following the log with interest. I have noticed that you have the same varieties listed a few times. Will you be growing them in blocks or are you going to grow them as donated.
 

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Jekylnz, Yes, I'll be growing some same varieties. I think it's a good oppertunity to do a comparison between the same varieties and perhaps select a bloom here and there to cross with the same variety. for example Markw virginia gold X Dimitris virginia gold, you know, just to see what those will produce the following year.

Markw, I will be growing them by type (flue cure in a row and then burley ect.) and I wiil keep types together (virginia gold together, tn90 together. ect). I will have them all marked too with not just variety but with the donors names as well.
 
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