Crazy Taxes on Raw Leaf Tobacco

[Texmo87]

Hello All,

I realize this is a bit off topic but in the end it makes sense.

I had placed an order on wholeleaftobacco.com for my tobacco leaves to start rolling. The order was for around 350$ US. When the package arrived at my door the canadian government put $2100.00 in PST on it. Besides that this is criminal and insane, I sent the package back for a refund as nobody can afford that. My question is to the Canadian Rollers on this site, where the heck do you get your leaves from and avoid that insane cost of PST?

Thanks in advance,

- Tex

 

[Yvan the terrible]

Hello All,

I realize this is a bit off topic but in the end it makes sense.

I had placed an order on wholeleaftobacco.com for my tobacco leaves to start rolling. The order was for around 350$ US. When the package arrived at my door the canadian government put $2100.00 in PST on it. Besides that this is criminal and insane, I sent the package back for a refund as nobody can afford that. My question is to the Canadian Rollers on this site, where the heck do you get your leaves from and avoid that insane cost of PST?

Thanks in advance,

- Tex

It was wrongly assessed as processed tobacco products. Leaves are considered an agricultural product in Canada so only GST and import fees should have been charged. I have received about 6 orders and one arrived without any duties. UPS charges a brokerage fee but on larger orders it may be worth it since they contact you when it arrives at customs and you can specify to them that this is stems attached tobacco leaves (stem attached is key here). USPS works with Canada post and on small orders is cheaper but you have to hope that it is assessed properly.

 

[Yvan the terrible]

Sorry I had the wrong code it should be unmanufactured leaf tobacco 2401.10.99 not stemmed/stripped

 

[Texmo87]

Thanks for the reply, I have since emailed whole lead tobacco and he gave me the exact response in that I’ll have to fill out a form to get the package reassessed as non processed tobacco.

He’s emailed me the form to have it ready for next time around. I’m just glad it was a mistake as nobody can afford 2100$ in taxes!

 

[ChinaVoodoo]

I have only had to pay once, and the proper assessment on that 5lb order was around four bucks.

 

[deluxestogie]

Please no political discussions.

Bob

 

[BarG]

Canada has had a huge tariff or tax on American tobacco for a long time. Canadians have always complained about this.

 

[greygoose]

Sorry to have to bump this, so do we have to pay first and then fill out the form to get it reassessed if it was taxed wrong? And if that's the case, how long for reassessment? I got 10 pounds coming in so I'm a little spooked reading this lol.

Also, I read somewhere we're allowed 20-30 pound a year total quota for personal use of whole leaf into BC?(Can't seem to find that now) Does that reset on January 1st of each year? And what's the maximum someone have ordered in Canada? Since shipping cost could get a bit expensive, would 12to16 pounds in one shipment cause any trouble?

 

[ChinaVoodoo]

I haven't ordered more than 7. Other guys regularly do more. Since I have been paying attention, I have actually not seen any forum members assessed incorrectly. I would bet canada post staff are trained or have access to the procedure. Non-tobacco customs charges are a regular thing, so I'm sure it's common for them.

End of the day, if you show up and there's a rediculous charge, you don't have to make any drastic moves. Stay calm. Nobody says, since you're at the post office, you have to immediately complete the transaction.

Be assured, there is a procedure, and it's not meant to trick or harm you.

The allowance for homegrown is 15kg/year. I am unsure any province other than Ontario has a whole leaf allowance.

Sorry. I'm not much help.

 

[ChinaVoodoo]

I just reread the original posts in this thread.

I think the original poster made a mistake by rashly trying to send it back to WLT.

They should have asked to have it reassessed.

 

[Davo]

Agreed bro. Same thing happened to me here and it only took a few conversations with customs to sort out correct charges - import fee, no duty....and don’t forget to head over to pipesmagazine.com with any political questions

 

[ChinaVoodoo]

Agreed bro. Same thing happened to me here and it only took a few conversations with customs to sort out correct charges - import fee, no duty....and don’t forget to head over to pipesmagazine.com with any political questions

Yes! Political questions are very desirable in other forums, especially when they are either leading or rhetorical.

 

[plantdude]

Wow, non political statement, I'm glad I'm in America.

 

[greygoose]

I haven't ordered more than 7. Other guys regularly do more. Since I have been paying attention, I have actually not seen any forum members assessed incorrectly. I would bet canada post staff are trained or have access to the procedure. Non-tobacco customs charges are a regular thing, so I'm sure it's common for them.

End of the day, if you show up and there's a rediculous charge, you don't have to make any drastic moves. Stay calm. Nobody says, since you're at the post office, you have to immediately complete the transaction.

Be assured, there is a procedure, and it's not meant to trick or harm you.

The allowance for homegrown is 15kg/year. I am unsure any province other than Ontario has a whole leaf allowance.

Sorry. I'm not much help.

Thanks so much Voodoo, this makes me feel a lot better lol. I'm assuming I might be ordering more later on, might consider just getting huge quantities to age if limits not an issue. Cheers!

 

[plantdude]

After reading @POGreen grow blog about the recent new taxes in Sweden you may feel a little better - well, feel like someone is worse off that you anyhow. Kind of crazy what the world is coming to.

Now if they could install air measuring devices on our government mandated face masks they could tax our air usage too... I better be careful, somewhere someone out there might think that is a brilliant idea

 

[FmGrowit]

Wow, non political statement, I'm glad I'm in America.

Your Constitutional right to Freedom of Speach means you can speak out against the government without fear of reprisal. It does not give anyone the right to say anything they want anywhere you want to say it.

 

[greygoose]

Your Constitutional right of Freedom of Speach means you can speak out against the government without fear of reprisal. It does not give anyone the right to say anything they want to say anywhere you want to say it.

Hi Don, just want to thank you and your team for a quick shipment an hour after ordering, looking forward to get into this hobby when it gets here. Would you happen to know if there are any limits one can import in a shipment or a max in a year into BC Canada?

 

[ChinaVoodoo]

Hi Don, just want to thank you and your team for a quick shipment an hour after ordering, looking forward to get into this hobby when it gets here. Would you happen to know if there are any limits one can import in a shipment or a max in a year into BC Canada?

I ordered yesterday. 39 minutes. I can't say I've even had service that fast at Timmie's.

 

[plantdude]

Your Constitutional right of Freedom of Speach means you can speak out against the government without fear of reprisal. It does not give anyone the right to say anything they want to say anywhere you want to say it.

Agreed, mostly. My point was I don't like high taxes and government over reach. Am I off the mark?

 

[ChinaVoodoo]

Agreed, mostly. My point was I don't like high taxes and government over reach. Am I off the mark?

I think that would have been more clear if you used a colon, instead of a comma after statement.

I can't speak for Don, but it took me a while to figure out what you were actually saying there. Edit: I thought you were saying my statement was non political. Maybe my reading skills are lacking due to lack of sleep.

In an attempt to avoid talking about ideals and major economic theories, I would say the hardest part is when how much you have to pay changes. I value tobacco enough to pay the price and/or put in the work and grow it myself. I would do a lot more for tobacco than for cabbages, I can tell you that.

Tobacco is very special. I feel like I disrespect it and the grower a little if I expect it to be cheap.

Knowing what other countries pay is kind of annoying, but ultimately, it's the disproportionate increases that always get you because it disrupts the norm; changes your world.