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dev96

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First post but I wanted to share my curing build after gleaning information from here, figured it's fair to give back.

We have a small farm in central Florida and grow 200 plants each spring and fall. We were growing Virginia Gold and Rustica for novelty but are switching over our mainstay to Sobolchskii 33 after testing plotting a 100 plants this spring.The yeild results are pretty much equal in the end but the 33 matures a lttle faster with slightly bigger leaves. The big seller for us was the lack of pest interest. We found the horn and army worms tend to simply leave 33 alone after a small nibble. Going forward this fall we will plant 10:1 Sobolchskii / Virginia Gold plot using the VG as "bait" for pest management.

But on to the cabinet...

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I used a old mini fridge, the fridge we had that already made two passes around the farm, first time as a "new to us" (aka free) second-hand drink fridge, it's second life was as a chicken egg incubator, it's 3rd life is now for curing/fermentation.

We plan on upscaling to to a "full sized" freezer when I can find one. (Freezers are better insulated than fridges are). Otherwise we'll be running roughly 4-6 loads through this little guy post season.

I wanted to keep this thing as simple as possible using a single control voltage and staying out of a mess of relays and wiring so everything is 110v on the control side. I also wanted to have one single plug and everything self contained in the fridge without external ducting, hoses, bins or chords.

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The temp / humidity controller is a KETOTEK KT100 Temperature Humidity Controller. These run about $20-$25 dollars on Amazon or $15 from AliExpress of you can wait on the shipping. The unit is rated for 10 amps total output.

The heating element is a PTC (Positive Temperature Coefficient) 110v 750W heating element. These are sometimes called a "ceramic air heater". These run about $15-$20 depending on where you find them. For the sake of being technical this heater draws about 6 amps total. It's run time at start up or when the cabinet is empty is deceivingly long (10-15 mins to hit 125 degrees). But when loaded and up to temp it only cycles on for 3 minutes about once every 35-40 minutes.
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I have a second heater that I didn't use in this build but if I go up to a larger freezer cabinet I'll need it and a 110v relay to take the combined load (1500 watts) of both elements (12 amps) off of the temp controller.

I have two 110v 4" permanent magnet fans that are wired to run 24/7. One is positioned in the top of the cabinet just to move air, the other is affixed to the heating element. Because these are wired direct and not pulling power from the controller the amperage was irrelevant to the build. If I add the second heating element to a larger cabinet later I'll add a third fan for it.
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Because I didn't want to fight or fret with humidity and after a few test run fails at maintaining humidity correctly I opted for a Mxmoonant 350ml/H ultrasonic fog generator that was around $18 on Amazon. There are a ton of these little fog makers out there for less money but I spent the extra $5 when buying it to get a floating model with a top cover to prevent fussing with water levels and/or splashing issues.

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The unit works GREAT as a humidifier (I'd be disappointed in it as a fogger) and only needs to run for 7-10 seconds every 30 mins to keep the humidity up. It pulls 0.2 amps when running using a 24v DC power supply plugged into the Keotech controller's 110v output. Water usage is about 1.3 pint per day.

The fridge had 3 inch top and bottom vent holes already drilled into it's back side from the egg ncubator project. I simply taped those over and reduced the hole size down to 1 inch. The air exchange is pretty substantial, enough to blow a lighter flame around.

For loading / unloading, the tobacco is sorted and tied into 2-3 inch tall compressed bundles so the stack can easily be taken out and flipped around periodically. The top bag in the photo is a regular laundry sack we use for curing Rustica because the leaves are so small.

Because I am slightly overkill on BTUs and humidity outputs for the cabinets size I had to play with the cut in and cut out temp and humidity ranges a bit at first. My mistake was not just loading the cabinet full (20lbs) and trying to "test run" it with too little mass inside. Once I full loaded it it easy to keep it -+/- 2 points of 125 degrees and 70% humidity. Under half full and it will slightly overshoot both targets by + 5 points. I can find a big rock to add mass to a half full load but honestly the 5 point variance isn't going to hurt anything.

Short sweet and simple... all I have to do is add water every 5 days and flip the stack bundles around.
 

dev96

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The leaf in the first photo looks like it is flue cured already. My guess is he also has a flue curing chamber.

To answer LeftyRighty's question, yes it will do 160, I think it's max range is 180 but I wouldn't try that in a fridge with a plastic interior.

To touch on what ChinaVoodoo is saying, It's natural air curing, being in Florida it just feels like a flute chamber all day and the humidity bounces 30-80% day/night or rain/sun. We fortunately have a very large back porch that's had hanging arms installed just about everywhere and 4 ceiling fans.

When we start to get into leaves ripening (or yellowing out because of the early summer rains) we simply harvest in lots as they are ready. My wife stiches the leaves on cheap or recycled fishing line and we let mother nature do it's thing in the heat / air flow.

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We rotate the stringers to / from interior to screened exterior walls which gets them a few hours of indirect sunlight as they progress. I think that all of that is what's giving the flute appearance as your 120-130 degrees in late afternoon sun.

Stuff in the photos are literally "freebies"... We were "done" with our harvest about 6 weeks ago, we pull the stakes and let the plants stocks fall over and do their own thing afterwards. Just from the rain and good growing season we end up with suckers that produce 60-80 lbs of wet leaf. I just harvested that before spraying everything out a few days back in prepping for fall tilling.

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I think the central Florida climate just gives a few bonus oddities to growing / curing. You could ram through 3 complete grow outs in a year if you wanted to doing plant starts on a grow-out table. The sun / humidity / rain is a blessing and curse. You battle not enough of everything and suddenly too much of all of it!
 

dev96

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One after thought...

Where hanging tobacco on stringers may not be the most conventional way of doing it we find it easier to manage though out the life of storage and curing. Because we get pretty good sized loads coming in we need to be able to store it post air cure / pre fermentation. Simply unhooking one end of the stringer vertically let's us hang massive bundles out of the way to make room for incoming leaves but still offers good airflow in the hanging mass.

It also helps prevent over handling issues of stacking, unstacking, storing, moving and sorting. We touch it / handle it a lot less in between stages. If it gets too dry we simply spray the stringer before stripping the leaves off to bundle into the fermentation process.
 

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Thanks for the note.

Quite a bit smaller than what I thought at first as the KT-100 is much smaller than I thought. It is less than 3" wide and looked like 6 to me. I agree with your assessment. I tried putting calipers on the screen and ratio-ing the width. Height would be off a good bit due to foreshortening tho. I guesstimated 17 to 18. Finally got smart and looked for some small glass door reach-ins online and they are about 18 wide and 33 high.

If no one minds I think I will make mine a bit larger. I was thinking about blowing off a flue cure box and then Mr Duh here finally figured out he needed some kind of fermenting box or cooler even if fermenting in jars and the same box could be used for faux flue-curing. So I looked around realized I had a good bit of OSB, and 2x4's, some paint, computer fans, a whole bagful of 5V fogger disks, some 1"in foil backed insulation board good to 250F, and a gallon of wrong color dark blue paint. Now I reckon I will flog in amongst other folk's posts and see what good sizes and plans there be.
 

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My "endoskeletal" kiln is 3' wide x 2' deep x 4' high. I sized it to fit my available space, and through doorways. I put big casters on the bottom. I also designed it to be capable of disassembly, for storage—ha! [There was also the question of how big it could be for a minimum number of 4' x 8' XPS foam boards.] In reality, it has never been moved more than a few feet from its place of birth. In terms of capacity, it is just about right for grows of a max of 100-120 plants, if I spread the kilning into 2-month batches throughout the year. A much larger one would be more energy efficient.

I am satisfied with my design concept, but would urge new kiln builders to ignore my dimensions.

Once you begin your project, be sure to start your own kiln-build thread in How To Grow Tobacco | Finishing Tobacco | Fermenting, and post lots of photos and measurements.

Bob
 
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