First Cigarillo

[istanbulin]

I looked for a vidio on how to use this roller but all I could find was a pot head one. But it does show how to use the roller so I though it mite be of use. How to roll: Vaporized Blunt with backwoods [ with Zen blunt roller] .

Roller is quite interesting, I've never seen a roller like this before. It may be designed for rolling buds rather than baccy. That guy (I think he's a New Yorker, a MTA card) isn't rolling a mild cigar But, usage of the roller is quite easy.

 

[Boboro]

I rolled 4 cigars with the roller.Got a leaf out of the kiln so it was very high case. and used cig. cut bacca inside of all but one and I used leaf scrap in it. It taste like a cegar but didnt want to stay lit. I think they will burn good when moister evens out some.

 

[BarG]

Take your cutting board and spray it down with mist, mist your wrappers and binders, gather your rolling leaves and bunch up, start rolling and dont stop till your done.

 

[Boboro]

Im gona have to read up on warpers and binders.

 

[BarG]

Im gona have to read up on warpers and binders.

The first thing is warp your warper to fit your cigar. I like to make the top of the leaf to the top and the outside of the leaf to the outside when rolling. mist or lick the end as you would a regular smoke.

 

[deluxestogie]

Cigarillos seldom use a binder. But for larger cigars, they can allow you to roll more solid cigars, and to use a thinner, more fragile wrapper.

Binders should have few holes, and be sturdy enough to tightly wrap the bulk of filler. Binders need to have at least a moderate combustibility. You can combine a potent binder with a mild wrapper to alter the taste and aroma.

Wrappers just need to be relatively intact. They can be thin or thick. The heavier the binder, the thinner the wrapper can be. A truly durable wrapper, like the Besuki sold at WLT, can often be used without an underlying binder, though the resulting cigars are seldom as well compressed as those that also use a binder.

A binder can also be useful when rolling a cigar (even a large cigar) of entirely shredded filler. The binder is used to just loosely hold all the shreds in a rough cigar shape. When the wrapper is then applied, it's the wrapper that contains all the compressive force--an easy task with shred.

Bob

 

[BarG]

Binders should have few holes, and be sturdy enough to tightly wrap the bulk of filler. Binders need to have at least a moderate combustibility. You can combine a potent binder with a mild wrapper to alter the taste and aroma.

Wrappers just need to be relatively intact. They can be thin or thick. The heavier the binder, the thinner the wrapper can be. A truly durable wrapper, like the Besuki sold at WLT Bob

Maybe thats where I go wrong sometimes. I sometimes use inferior binders to roll leaves in not proper case and finish with a decent wrapper.. ALL HOME GROWN, BUT i STILL CAN'T MATCH THE BEZUKI WRAPPER OR SOME OF THE CIGAR LEAF FROM "WLT" . I managed to grow some great cigar tobacco and kiln it for a great smoke , But I am always and will be out done by the untried varietys out there. How do you know exactly is in that best thing you ever smoked?

 

[Boboro]

Ok I under stand that better.

 

[johnlee1933]

Binders should have few holes, and be sturdy enough to tightly wrap the bulk of filler. Binders need to have at least a moderate combustibility. You can combine a potent binder with a mild wrapper to alter the taste and aroma.Bob

I'm sure you have mentioned it before but what would you consider a "potent" binder? -- John

 

[deluxestogie]

I'm sure you have mentioned it before but what would you consider a "potent" binder? -- John

CT Broadleaf as a binder will add punch to an otherwise mild cigar, without adding the tongue taste of the CT Broadleaf. Some burleys make a robust binder.

You may have seen marketing for "triple maduro" cigars (aimed at the same men who feel the need to wear a big watch). In addition to dark filler and a maduro wrapper, they include a dark binder. It makes a smoke that's, well, dark and unbalanced.

Bob

 

[johnlee1933]

CT Broadleaf as a binder will add punch to an otherwise mild cigar, without adding the tongue taste of the CT Broadleaf. Some burleys make a robust binder.

You may have seen marketing for "triple maduro" cigars (aimed at the same men who feel the need to wear a big watch). In addition to dark filler and a maduro wrapper, they include a dark binder. It makes a smoke that's, well, dark and unbalanced.

Bob

Thanks. I've got some kilned and will try it for my friends who like a stronger smoke. -- J

 

[istanbulin]

After more than a year, here's the second cigarillo. Wrapped with Havana 142 Oscuro, filler is PA Red and Havana 142 Oscuro scraps.



Yes, photo/light is not very good.

 

[deluxestogie]

That looks tasty.

Bob

 

[Matty]

Wow, that's pretty small, is it long filler or shredded filler?

 

[Knucklehead]

Nice looking cigarillo. How is that roller holding up?

 

[istanbulin]

It's rolled with a 70 mm cigarette roller, using a bigger roller may be better. Filler is not long filler but also not shredded, leaf scraps in random size. Actually shredded leaf may be better for obtaining a better burning cigarillo but scraps also burn good.

This video shows the mechanism of the roller.

Using a dry filler with a wrapper in high case (almost wet) works good. Wrapper sticks easily without using gum.