Global warming?

[FmGrowit]

I'm sure the numbers the scientists are crunching are accurately calculated to draw a scientific conclusion that the earth is warming. The problem I have si even if records had been kept for the past 20,000 years, it still only be a blink of an eye compared to the earth's history.

I still believe there are naturally occurring events so rare they have never been witnessed by the human animal...yet.

 

[Knucklehead]

If the earth weren't warming, wouldn't we still be in the ice age?

 

[winston-smoker]

There simply are no models of climate science that are "better" than those that were reviewed by the committees of NAS and RS in preparing the brochure linked above. You certainly don't have to "believe" it, but that's the current state of the science.

Bob

When the planetary impact theory of the moon's formation, now universally accepted, was first proposed, the scientific community scoffed at it, because it didn't conform to the current state of science.

I'll agree that average global temperatures have been rising for the last 150 years. But I am skeptical that we know with certainty that human activity (i.e., industrialization ... burning fossil fuels) is the primary culprit; industrialization could be coincidental rather than causal. Even if we know with certainty that human activity is responsible for global climate change, it's rather hard to do very much about it. Developed countries have already considerably reduced their emissions of CO2 over the last decade, but it will matter little if large developing countries continue to increase their emissions in the course of their industrial development.

 

[webmost]

... You certainly don't have to "believe" it, but that's the current state of the science.

Bob

The current state of the science is in its infancy. We're throwing away trillions and declaring war on the current state of technology on the basis of necessarily infantile conclusions of an infant science. For all we know, in fifty years time we shall finally have discovered how to control fusion and mastered how to make a battery that takes ten times the charge in a tenth the time. Then all this hysteria will be moot. You tell me, Bob, which of these noble scenarios is more likely by century's end: 1) We halt carbon, 2) We master fusion, 3) We reduce population to a couple hundred million world wide, 4) We don't know yet.

I also am 65. The current state of science in my yoot knew for a fact that dinosaurs were lizards --- and that's looking backwards at the rocks. How much harder it is to look forward.

You go ahead and fight on, though. Steadfast is good. There is so much ignorance and misinformation afoot. Me, I'm too busy knocking the ice off my firewood. Gotta fix the switch on my motorcycle grip warmers, too. Like to froze my darn fingers off this morning in twelve degrees.

 

[deluxestogie]

I hereby swear to cease and desist on discussing the science of climate change and the science of genetics on FTT. Eat, drink and be merry.

Bob

 

[darren1979]

My understanding has always been global warming has been happening for a very like time( since the last ice age) but it man's use of fossil fuels which is speeding up the warming.
Is there anything I can do about it? nop.

 

[Markw]

I am going to keep my mouth shut on this one. but I do like Bobs, eat drink and be merry. Grow more hops, wheat and barley, and grapes to help reduce the Co2. Lol

 

[Knucklehead]

I hereby swear to cease and desist on discussing the science of climate change and the science of genetics on FTT. Eat, drink and be merry.

Bob

I'd hate to see you do that, Bob. The references and documentation you provide are a valuable resource for those open minded enough to read them. I listen to both sides of an argument, but in the end I'll make up my own mind based on sound research and common sense. By the way, if you didn't pinkie swear it doesn't count anyway.

 

[webmost]

I hereby swear if deluxestogie ceases and desists I will bomb the living crap outta him with one big box of cigars after another until he starts talking again. That don't work, I'll ride down there to deluxeland on my murdersickle and give you a wet willie Bob. I'll do it, too. You know I will. They won't be no deluxe stogies, either; they'll be stinky dog rockets from a dog that ate asphalt.

As for the science of genetics, just judging from mine, I'm no one to talk.

 

[Rickey60]

I have really enjoyed this discussion even though I don't know enough about it to comment one way or the other. I don't want anyone to stop posting their view on any subject, it helps people like myself learn something new. Deluxestogie and Markw keep your views comment. We all enjoy a good conversation.
Rick

 

[FmGrowit]

I hereby swear if deluxestogie ceases and desists I will bomb the living crap outta him with one big box of cigars after another until he starts talking again.

Yeah, That will sure teach him a lesson ...we're likely to never hear from again if anyone else makes those kind of threats.

 

[Ashauler]

Yeah, That will sure teach him a lesson ...we're likely to never hear from again if anyone else makes those kind of threats.

LMAO.
Crap, you made me post.

 

[FmGrowit]

LMAO.
Crap, you made me post.

Sorry, I'll do it every opportunity I get...stranger.

 

[TheOtherOne]

Has anyone read the article in this year's farmer's almanac about the volcanic glass ring? (like Saturn's rings)
Apparently this ring moves into the path between us and the sun, causing "climate change"

 

[winston-smoker]

For that matter, Krakatoa erupted in 1883, the largest volcanic eruption in about 3,500 years. It released an unusually large amount of SO2, a potent greenhouse gas, into the Earth's atmosphere. Exactly how much global warming is the result of natural causes like the Krakatoa eruption, and how much from humans burning fossil fuels? Does anyone know for certain?

 

[Knucklehead]

For that matter, Krakatoa erupted in 1883, the largest volcanic eruption in about 3,500 years. It released an unusually large amount of SO2, a potent greenhouse gas, into the Earth's atmosphere. Exactly how much global warming is the result of natural causes like the Krakatoa eruption, and how much from humans burning fossil fuels? Does anyone know for certain?

According to the link Stogie posted about the study done by the US National Academy of Sciences and the UK Royal Academy, there are ways to tell the difference between natural and human emissions. They call them "fingerprints". I haven't finished reading it yet, but it's an interesting study.

 

[winston-smoker]

I plan to read it too. Maybe tomorrow or Saturday. I would be more inclined to believe those lecturing to us about global warming, such as the President and Al Gore, if they would actually reduce their own colossal "carbon footprints." There's too much "do as I say and not as I do," not to mention politics, from the political and corporate elites involved in this issue.

 

[Boboro]

You Peon!

 

[webmost]

9 degrees

 

[leverhead]

That boy needs a tan!