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Francoisfg

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Hello folks. I ordered 5 pounds of tobacco leafs and today got assessed at Montreal border. They say I need to pay 1100$ in duties and taxes. What should I do? Thanks pales
I hope seriously you come back
This is a fight you must do, before creatiing ,,,, a précedent....
I wish you were present ...
So according to 93er canadian canadian it is about 3$ a Pound
But I think this is for stamped tobacco
But for the wlt it is 5.5% but if you look carefully at the left column it is 0%
For the provincial taxe it is 0% and maybe the tax QST, and for my understanding should be 0%
Lets do the fight together and settle this once and for all and do not create a ... precedent ....
tHANKS
Dont do this alone
 

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I think it now varies by province.

For all of Canada the federal government applies an excise tax at $1.572 per kilogram.


But then you have to add the provincial taxes which is where things are getting clamped down.

It looks like Saskatchewan is going to be a no go for whole leaf anymore, they are charging tax based at the same rates as tobacco products $0.35 per gram, more than the tax on cigarettes


"Effective 12:01 a.m., March 24, 2022, the tax rate for cigarettes and cigarette sticks is 29 cents per stick. Smokeless tobacco and other tobacco (including raw leaf) is 35 cents per gram. Tax on heated tobacco products is 21.8 cents per unit (stick, capsule or cartridge)."

In Ontario the law allows for importing 3kg, but doesn't state a yearly limit. There is no provincial tax of whole leaf from what I can see. Maybe the 15kg applies to your total yearly amount you can process from your 3kg imports.


"The Tobacco Tax Act provides for exemptions that allow an individual to:

produce and process for his or her own personal use, and not for sale, up to 15 kilograms of raw leaf tobacco per calendar year
buy up to 3 kilograms of raw leaf tobacco for his or her own personal use
import up to 3 kilograms of raw leaf tobacco for his or her own personal use
export up to 3 kilograms of raw leaf tobacco for his or her own personal use
transport up to 5 kilograms of raw leaf tobacco for his or her own or another individual's personal use."

In Quebec it's just as bad it looks like. $0.149 per gram of raw leaf


You can try to use the form I was sent with my order to get a reassessment.

It looks like the era of whole leaf in Canada is coming to an end

I just moved to New Brunswick where there doesn't appear to be a limit or tax from what I see, its not considered a tobacco product here.
I really hope you are wrong about how they apply this!
The Saskatchewan one is a tax, which appears to only apply to commercial resellers. I'm guessing it works into their labeling system somehow. The only way I know whole leaf is currently sold in retail is as blunt wrapper.
I'm really trying to figure out how to comment or reply without posting a whole bunch of quotes...but i just cant figure it out! Anyways...Saskatchewan here, I finally got the 11# order today...talk about relief! I kind of got sick thinking about a $0.35 tax per gram, but it cost $46...a fair bit last than our previous order!, they just calculated PST and GST and the excise tax on the actual value of tobacco and didn't include the shipping in the calculations, so on an order that cost me $367 canadian dollars I ended up paying $46 canadian dollars. The last 11# made very close to 5000 cigarrettes...you do the math, but it is a lot less than the $187/200g of cut tabacco that I would have to pay if I really wanted to smoke otherwise!
 

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Happy to hear it @pottsS I want to say that I believe the others are right and these taxes only apply to licensed importers or others selling at retail. It would be too ridiculous otherwise. Its hard to say for sure one way or another but if you get a crazy tax bill it's always worth sending it back for reassessment at the very least.
 

Francoisfg

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The full story in chronoclily ??? order
Bought about 1,000 of stock from WLL
half of it was materiel ... roller and shredder and about 14 pounds of tobacco
date april 8
receive message on the 10 with code from the post to follow, from wll
arrival at the custom on april 14
Complaint at canada post on the on the 21
receive message from canada post onthe may 4
teeling to ask the sender to bring back the parcel
on april 4 message Canada custom, to send back to sender, and that next time I will order from Amazone, and just senr the parcel back
On the 4 or 5 message WLL to ask them to ask for the parcel back

Miracle, or magic .........

On the 5 ... yesterday
Canada post has received the parcel from the custom

the story to be follow
but unfortunatly I had move since
:)
please feel free to correct my english wording
I have moved
or I had move ? etc
 
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There is a housing buble for sur ! a lot cost about 300,000
Since our last conversation I have moved :) since I have 300 clients over there
Tell me my friend, when your order come in from which custom it comes from , Ontarion, AB, or ???
Tobacco parcels usually go through Montreal for me in about two weeks. Plus another week going to the border and getting here. I recently had a non-tobacco order take 7 weeks.
 

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I am in Alberta and they change where my parcel goes everytime. It's all personal use nothing is sold. I call customs at time when something takes too long. Juat tell them what it is copy and paste the order with the proper tax code. Last year was suspect because I ordered form WLT and Big Bonner. That was close to the yearly limit. Welcome Francois and it's okay by me if there is a little french mixed in. Whole leaf Tobcacco C'est Bon
 

Francoisfg

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Hello guys thanks for all you collaboration
Finally, receive the paxckage, hummm it cross the border and will arrive the day after tomorrow.
I had a very small bill. ( 15 pds and a roller and a shredder)
Nothing make sense ! Maybe the guy who did listen the message liked my singing, .... return to sender :)
I will have the bill soon,
 
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