ICYMI - cigarette ban may be imminent before the 21st.

[ShiniKoroshi]

In case you missed it.....Its looking like nicotine limits are soon to be imposed on cigarettes and other tobacco products which will effectively ban most of the product available currently. You can google for the articles but the reason I mention this here is that its quite possible that the demand for whole leaf will soon and suddenly skyrocket. If that ends up being the case then now it the time to stock up on tobacco. There seems to be no intent to inform the public of this, it will simply become a shortage of available product.

 

[highgrave]

Stay free and grow your own.

 

[johnny108]

In a time of famine, having a warehouse full will help you survive.
Having a box full of seeds will help you thrive.

 

[ShiniKoroshi]

This is my first year growing so Imma still need WLT to get me though.

 

[ShiniKoroshi]

Good morning Comrades, FDA announced their nicotine reduction plan this morning.

"The FDA says the proposed rule will apply to traditional cigarettes, roll-your-own tobacco, cigars and pipe tobacco. Cigarette manufacturers will have two years to come into compliance with the rule, after it is finalized.........Tobacco companies will need to cut nicotine levels to 0.7 milligrams per gram of tobacco, a fraction of the 17.2 milligrams per gram that most cigarette brands have on average."

FDA moves to cut nicotine from cigarettes (article).

 

[Skafidr]

Do cigarette manufacturers shoot their tobacco with more nicotine? I don't know how much nicotine there is in an average gram of tobacco.

 

[johnny108]

Skychaser and WLT are probably going to get very busy in a couple of years….

 

[Florida Dave]

Skychaser and WLT are probably going to get very busy in a couple of years….

Might need to order some more and different seeds...

 

[WillQuantrill]

It's not about which drugs you use... but whose.

 

[ShiniKoroshi]

Do cigarette manufacturers shoot their tobacco with more nicotine? I don't know how much nicotine there is in an average gram of tobacco.

The nicotine content of tobacco varies a lot from under 1% all the way to 9%. Within each variety there are variations of nicotine content depending on environment and culture.

 

[DaleB]

Mixed emotions about this. From what I can tell, it looks like it would cut the nicotine content of my wife's cigarettes by about half or a bit more. She smokes what I sincerely believe to be the absolute foulest, nastiest smelling cigarettes on God's earth, and has already had a stroke. If she quit, I'd be absolutely overjoyed. I suspect, however, that the tobacco companies will use the new regulation as an excuse to bump the price up a buck or two per pack, and she'll just smoke twice as many.

I suspect the added processing and/or blend changes required for commercial pipe tobacco blends would absolutely kill them. Probably cigars as well.

I haven’t read through the NPRM. Assuming it does not cover unprocessed whole leaf tobacco (as from WLT), just smokable tobacco “products”?

Either way, I’m happy that my home grown stuff is showing promise.

 

[Skafidr]

and she'll just smoke twice as many.

I suspect something like that would happen to some consumers. Same nicotine content, twice as much smoke.

Although, on the other hand, I presume the goal is to make it less addictive specially for kids. But kids are resourceful.

Also, around here (Canada), it's a thing that Native folks sell cigarettes. Not sure how this would impact them (would they be subject to this kind of regulation, if not would their sales go up?).

 

[ShiniKoroshi]

Mixed emotions about this. From what I can tell, it looks like it would cut the nicotine content of my wife's cigarettes by about half or a bit more. She smokes what I sincerely believe to be the absolute foulest, nastiest smelling cigarettes on God's earth, and has already had a stroke. If she quit, I'd be absolutely overjoyed. I suspect, however, that the tobacco companies will use the new regulation as an excuse to bump the price up a buck or two per pack, and she'll just smoke twice as many.

I suspect the added processing and/or blend changes required for commercial pipe tobacco blends would absolutely kill them. Probably cigars as well.

I haven’t read through the NPRM. Assuming it does not cover unprocessed whole leaf tobacco (as from WLT), just smokable tobacco “products”?

Either way, I’m happy that my home grown stuff is showing promise.

Apparently the FDA believes the industry has the capability to de-nicotate (plucks banjo) tobacco similar to decaffeinated coffee. And, it feels that genetic modification to tobacco has promise to enable lower nicotine production while recognizing that tobacco is capable of producing helpful drugs and to duplicate vaccines. Read that again!

Pub Med - Genetically modified tobacco--chance or threat for smokers?

Abstract​

Tobacco (Nicotiana sp.) is of the most often used model plants for research in the field of physiology, biochemistry, molecular biology and genetic engineering. Tobacco was also the first plant subject to genetic transformation--in 1983 the plant was introduced with the kanamycin resistance gene. The internet database PubMed includes roughly 3,500 records concerning transgenic tobacco, out of which nearly 200 works were published this year. Advancement of state-of-the-art techniques of genetic engineering offers new, as yet unprecedented opportunities to take advantage of tobacco. Apparently tobacco is not only a source of carcinogenic tobacco smoke, but also a plant which due to genetic modifications may be used in a positive way in medicine and biological sciences. The aim of the article is to summarize the role of genetically modified Nicotiana genus plants in modern medicine and environmental protection. The publication describes the usage of transgenic plants in the tobacco industry and evaluates possible effects of such applications. Moreover, potential possibilities of deployment of genetically modified tobacco for production of anti-virus and antibacterial vaccinations, interferon, antibodies, etc. have been characterized.

 

[DaleB]

If the process of reducing nicotine in tobacco does to tobacco what decaffeinating does to coffee… I’ll pass, thanks. I’m sure they can and will happily load up cigarette tobacco with enough junk to cover it up, but I suspect we’d simply see most of the EU produced pipe blends become unavailable in the US.

 

[TigerTom]

If the process of reducing nicotine in tobacco does to tobacco what decaffeinating does to coffee… I’ll pass, thanks. I’m sure they can and will happily load up cigarette tobacco with enough junk to cover it up, but I suspect we’d simply see most of the EU produced pipe blends become unavailable in the US.

After taking over MacBaren and Sutliff, STG is chopping the vast majority of the MacBaren & Sutliff blends from their catalog. Only a handful will remain.

 

[Jayatflorida]

From what I understand is, they think lowering the nicotine will help people from getting hooked on tobbacco. Florida has been using that same practice on medical weed. It has had no affect whatsoever. Everyone will still smoke or do what they want. What I do see, is more people will just smoke more cigarettes with chemicals in them and more harm will be done than good. **** Just my opinion. Sorry if I offended anyone.

 

[TigerTom]

From what I understand is, they think lowering the nicotine will help people from getting hooked on tobbacco. Florida has been using that same practice on medical weed. It has had no affect whatsoever. Everyone will still smoke or do what they want. What I do see, is more people will just smoke more cigarettes with chemicals in them and more harm will be done than good. **** Just my opinion. Sorry if I offended anyone.

Not only will they smoke more, they'll buy more. That means more tax revenue.

 

[Skafidr]

Might be that they want to push people to vaping, which is, according to a lot of health professionals, much less bad than traditional smoke products..?

 

[TigerTom]

Might be that they want to push people to vaping, which is, according to a lot of health professionals, much less bad than traditional smoke products..?

I hope that's not their argument. There are no FDA standards for e-cigarette liquids, and they contain either vegetable glycerine or propylene glycol (or both) as a base. They are certainly not considered safe, but I would say the argument that they are much less bad than actual tobacco products is debatable.

 

[ShiniKoroshi]

I hope that's not their argument. There are no FDA standards for e-cigarette liquids, and they contain either vegetable glycerine or propylene glycol (or both) as a base. They are certainly not considered safe, but I would say the argument that they are much less bad than actual tobacco products is debatable.

There has been mention that part of the intent is to get smokers to switch to vaping. Its not the first time industry has partnered with government in such a manner though its usually followed by negative response by the consumers and industry being cut out.