Well Chicken, You're progressing nicely. Next you'll be calling it "poultry litter." With time and effort you'll call it chicken shit just like the rest of us. LOL
John
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Well Chicken, You're progressing nicely. Next you'll be calling it "poultry litter." With time and effort you'll call it chicken shit just like the rest of us. LOL
John
leverhead
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Chicken Manure or poultry litter are fitting names for the good stuff, I reserve chicken shit for public servants.
wazzappenning
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i agree that what you posted almost looks like whats written on the side of an advil bottle (which we never worry about), but keep in mind the stuff on products is only there to cover their butt, not to inform you on the risks. if someone in the test group had a pre existing condition that wasnt caught before, and caused the guys arm to shrivel up and fall off, then they would put that in as a possible side effect. that way if it happens to you, you cant sue them.
i disagree that im overdoing it on the polonium issue, and believe that not using rock fertilizer at all is the best course. i had read somewhere that the radioactivity makes your lungs more susceptible to the other carcinogens, and so without it, smoking becomes way less of a hazard.
also a (sort of member) had posted this. check the link he included.
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A few years ago I was told by a DOE engineer about the polonium / apatite fertilizer interaction in us commercial tobacco production. How apatite phosphorous fertilizer causes high polonium accumulation. Natural polonium adsorption in food crops is not a health issue, but tobacco since it is put through a pyrolysis process by smoking it, concentrates the polonium and is thus the major carcinogen."
http://www.epa.gov/radiation/sources/tobacco.html
perhaps that is why the ...F.D.A and E,P,A, raises such a stink about fertilizer running off, into the drinking water resivours,,,
they know the dangers that phospahate fertilizers can and will cause to humans, and animals i guess,
but yet they hide,<< the rest of the story,,as to not alarm the popualation,
thats why in a couple of years, im waiting to see a massive radiation outbreak in the citizens of japan, weve done found radiation in milk cows, from the u.s. west coast,,,,radiation in fish caught out of the atlantic, e,t,c,
im sure that power-plant melt down was a lot worse than they reported,,,
i learned a lot about radiation,{ the bad part of it } as training for my military carrer,,, i was a N.B.C. SPECIALIST { nuclear,biological,chemical}
no 3 of them things is good, i watched some old black and white 40's 50's era i guess,....... that would make your skin crawl.
they know the dangers that phospahate fertilizers can and will cause to humans, and animals i guess,
but yet they hide,<< the rest of the story,,as to not alarm the popualation,
thats why in a couple of years, im waiting to see a massive radiation outbreak in the citizens of japan, weve done found radiation in milk cows, from the u.s. west coast,,,,radiation in fish caught out of the atlantic, e,t,c,
im sure that power-plant melt down was a lot worse than they reported,,,
i learned a lot about radiation,{ the bad part of it } as training for my military carrer,,, i was a N.B.C. SPECIALIST { nuclear,biological,chemical}
no 3 of them things is good, i watched some old black and white 40's 50's era i guess,....... that would make your skin crawl.
Hey Chicken, we must be related. I've worked in the NBC field for about 23 years now. Of course, years ago it used to be called CBR
workhorse_01
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Chicken, I saw a one hour show on tv about fertilizer leeching. http://brigitteviellieudavis.com/2011/08/zombie-alligators-biodiversity/
i left the n.b.c. field in 91'
and never looked back,,,, that topic is some scary stuff,,,,you dont recover from mistakes,
wazzappenning
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it doesnt affect food crops like it does tobacco, or at least so they say.
wazzappenning
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so, should i add lime or ammonium sulfate?? which is best? is there a calculation for that one as well?
also should i till it in along with the nitrogen, (will that burn roots?), or just lay it on top and let it sink in?
also should i till it in along with the nitrogen, (will that burn roots?), or just lay it on top and let it sink in?
Get some Ammonium Sulfate in your soil. As a minimum you want 80 lbs/ acre of N, you have 11 so you need to add 70#/acre of N. Ammonium Sulfate is about 22% N.The sulfate will also help lower your pH a tad bit. If you use Ammonium Sulfate it is best to apply it, till it in and let it rain or water before planting. If you need help figuring out how much to add, post the size of your garden and we'll figure it out.
wazzappenning
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thank you. how much ammonium sulphate? there must be a too much/little amount. is there a ph drop/acre/lbs? i need to figure out how many survivors i have before deciding on my garden size. i saw someone here giving each plant a 2x2 space. thats kinda what i was planning, but dont know if its too little space.
wazzappenning
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sorry, i re read that. are you saying to use ammonium sulphate as my only source of nitrogen? then, yeah i need to figure out if thats overkill on the ph. i was hoping to buy my fertilizer today, till the garden today or tomorrow. technically i have until tomorrow to do any mechanical disturbance to the garden, as it will be the 2 weeks that call before you dig gave me.
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wazzappenning
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what do you guys think of short pine needle to lower ph. im raking a bunch up from my second plot and am wondering if i should add it to the garden. the worms seem to like the stuff thats turning into dirt.
To figure the amount of Ammonium Sulfate (AS) to add. Your soil tests revealed 11 # of N. We want to shoot for a total of 80#/acre of N. This number is not written in stone though, there are recommendations to go upwards of 160 #. So, you want to add the equivalent of 70 #/acre to your garden. You need to figure out the square feet of your garden which is length times the width.
This wit: (Square feet of garden) divided by 43,500 square feet ( this is the square feet in an acre). Take this number and multiply by 70. This is the total amount of Nitrogen you need for your garden space but since AS is only about 22% N you need to take that number and divide it by .22 for the total amount of AS to add.
Example: Garden is 20 feet by 30 feet, this= 600 square feet. 600 divided by 43500 =.0137. Take this number and multiply by 70 =.959. This is the actual amount of pure Nitrogen you need . So .959 divided by .22 = 4.35 pounds of AS. So, throw down about 4 to 5 pounds.
This wit: (Square feet of garden) divided by 43,500 square feet ( this is the square feet in an acre). Take this number and multiply by 70. This is the total amount of Nitrogen you need for your garden space but since AS is only about 22% N you need to take that number and divide it by .22 for the total amount of AS to add.
Example: Garden is 20 feet by 30 feet, this= 600 square feet. 600 divided by 43500 =.0137. Take this number and multiply by 70 =.959. This is the actual amount of pure Nitrogen you need . So .959 divided by .22 = 4.35 pounds of AS. So, throw down about 4 to 5 pounds.
wazzappenning
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ok thank you. i was searching for how much to lower my ph. i figured out i will have about 240 sq ft of soil that needs ammonium sulfate. for the ph to come down to just over 6 the amount of elemental sulfur needed is 2lbs/100 sq ft. at 24% sulphur (so x 4 x 2.4 is 19 lbs?) but from what it looks like, i only need 2 lbs to get my nitrogen. that will hardly make a dent in the ph. should i add elemental sulfur as well?
i have another 2x20 spot that had accumulated short pine needle. i think i will add nitrogen and wood ash to that area.
i have another 2x20 spot that had accumulated short pine needle. i think i will add nitrogen and wood ash to that area.
I would just use 2# of Ammonium Sulfate for this year and call it a day. Add the extra sulfur in several applications after the growing season. Sulfur when applied too heavily will kill all the beneficial micro organisms in your soil. Even though tobacco grows "better" at a lower pH you'll still get a fantastic crop with a pH of 7.3.
wazzappenning
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thank you. im going to till it in today, and then i was thinking of swapping some of the dirt from the patch that had pine needle. all that is growing there is weeds, not a trace of grass. im guessing its pretty acidic and weeds will grow in anything. i want to put about 10 plants there.
wazzappenning
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do i need to wait for a certain time period after watering it in before i can put my plants in?
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