MarcL
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Ecuador Cuban Seed Wrapper 2010
New (well aged) Cigar Wrapper opportunity
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Holy Crap...that's a beautiful job of rolling. I hope it tastes half as good as it looks.
I think that old Cuban torcedor who calls himself MarcL just posts pics of his rolls to make us all feel ashamed of ourselves. He's an artist. Every time I roll a stick I can put up with, all I have to do is take a look at his pics, brings me right back down to earth.
I'd be afraid to cut that. Mine look like big backwoods heh.
Smokin Harley
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I'll admit it .I get in a groove sometimes and make some beautiful sticks sometimes 20 at a sitting. Then theres the days I let slack off (usually because I'm working long hours weeks on end) then I have to retrain myself when I get back to it. .
ArizonaDave
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My first submission for full-bodied South American cigar:
Brazil Arapiraca (Wrapper)
Brazilian Mata Fina filler
Paraguay Flojo Viso filler
Braz. Mata Norte (Liguero)
OR drop the mata norte, and add the Colombian as a binder.
Pics coming!
Brazil Arapiraca (Wrapper)
Brazilian Mata Fina filler
Paraguay Flojo Viso filler
Braz. Mata Norte (Liguero)
OR drop the mata norte, and add the Colombian as a binder.
Pics coming!
ArizonaDave
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I guess you won't feel as ashamed when you see my no-mold hand rolled
MarcL is definitely an artist! I'm ok being on the bottom of the totem poll, as long as the blend is correct.
charlie G.
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Holy shit Marc That is one beautiful wrapping job. Keep rolling them and posting the pictures
Smokin Harley
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those have to be the best looking hand rolled cigars ...anywhere.
ArizonaDave
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and now, for the worst quickies ever: 
Just a quick roll to smoke, test, and make adjustments in blending.......
Just a quick roll to smoke, test, and make adjustments in blending.......
ArizonaDave
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The Brazilian stick on the left was still my favorite yesterday AM. Smoked much smoother than anticipated. Brazil Arapiraca wrapper, Brazilian Mata Fina and Paraguay Flojo Viso, and Braz. Mata Norte. A follow up will include a Colombian binder on one to keep it a South American Cigar, and another with Penn. Binder. Also will bump up the Mata Norte to 2 leaves.
It went well with Coffee, although my daughter adds more creamer than my wife
Haven't forgotten you Don. Been so damn wet here. Wet and dreary cold. Finally, we are getting some dry time. Last night, I put a fistful more sticks in the dry box. All the same bought blend, but wrapped in various old and new wrappers. Hope to smoke the whole fistful simultaneously some day this long weekend, to compare them side by side.
Who lives nearby, who might want to cruise on over for a beer, is invited to set down in my new cedar lined enclosed porch and help my compare these wrappers. Who's the forum member, about a year ago, in Pennsyltucky somewheres, close to a park, worked at a utility, coffee geek and wine maker, Bearswatter and I dropped by... I'm bad with names ... you have a palate, you wanna cruise by?
Anyhoo, we'll get you some more reviews soon, Don.
Who lives nearby, who might want to cruise on over for a beer, is invited to set down in my new cedar lined enclosed porch and help my compare these wrappers. Who's the forum member, about a year ago, in Pennsyltucky somewheres, close to a park, worked at a utility, coffee geek and wine maker, Bearswatter and I dropped by... I'm bad with names ... you have a palate, you wanna cruise by?
Anyhoo, we'll get you some more reviews soon, Don.
Smokin Harley
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web, if I lived closer .I'd sure be there. but ...usps still delivers ! lol.
MarcL
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de la Amazonic - Arapiraca wrapper, Columbia Carmen Cubita Binder, Mata fina, Mata Norte, and Carmen Cubita fillers.
I intended to compare five same cigars with different wrappers this eve. Good thing I didn't; cause I compared two identicals with different wrappers last night, and I can't see how I would juggle five at once. Tough enough to keep two burning. See, humidibbiditty here is over 70% now, and sposed to exceed 90% by this afternoon. Makes for a whole lot of puffing to keep a stick from dying.
Here's the two I sparked last night:
Both of them un-molded quickies, rolled about a week and a half ago. Both contain one part Mata Fina with two parts Criollo, bound in PA broadleaf. Here's the diff: The one on your left has a WLT Corojo Oscuro wrapper. The one on the right has Don's new sample Capa Clara wrapper. So we are testing the new to WLT Capa Cara versus the relatively new to me Corojo Oscuro, around reasonably common and not too spicy contents.
First off, the corojo is so much more attractive. Redder, smoother, shinier, with a smooth texture. The capa is blacker, rougher, with a dull surface, that feels dry and rough. Here, let's look close at the leaf:
The capa:
The corojo:
Once the caps were cut off, both greeted me with a floral draw. Both drew easily -- quickies always are easy drawing. The corojo had a bit of smoked meat to it. But 95% was identical, of course, since your unlit draw comes thru identical filler.
Once lit, differences did emerge. The capa seemed more flavor transparent. Had a cleaner finish. Tasted fruity when rolled in the mouth. Burnt more slowly, with a bit grayer smoke. The corojo gave me a creamier taste, had a spicier finish, tasted spicier rolled in the mouth, burnt a skosh quicker, with a bit whiter smoke. I wasn't five minutes into the corojo cigar before I exclaimed "this is a superb cigar!" and determined to stash a box of them. But the rough dry surface of the capa continued to bug me. One, you were sleeping on a fine cotton pillow case with some kinda thread count a chick would know about; the other, a naked pillow with feather quills prickling thru. The capa started out with a steadier burn and a straighter burn line; but about a quarter hour in, it skipped a vein, hopping underneath to bust out a burn the near side of the vein. The corojo started out with a wavy burn, then straightened out. An inch in, when I knocked off the ashes, I found that the cherry on the capa had sunk into the wrap; whereas the corojo cherry was at least slightly convex. The capa, I must admit, seemed to produce a smoother melding of flavors. I liked the salt and pepper it left on my lips.
Both had a woody retro, a distinct PA broadleaf in the aroma, and soft thick smoke, requiring frequent puffing (rain was pounding down outside). Both were very quality cigars. But, for my money, I would choose the corojo oscuro every time, if only for the appearance and feel.
Here's the two I sparked last night:
Both of them un-molded quickies, rolled about a week and a half ago. Both contain one part Mata Fina with two parts Criollo, bound in PA broadleaf. Here's the diff: The one on your left has a WLT Corojo Oscuro wrapper. The one on the right has Don's new sample Capa Clara wrapper. So we are testing the new to WLT Capa Cara versus the relatively new to me Corojo Oscuro, around reasonably common and not too spicy contents.
First off, the corojo is so much more attractive. Redder, smoother, shinier, with a smooth texture. The capa is blacker, rougher, with a dull surface, that feels dry and rough. Here, let's look close at the leaf:
The capa:
The corojo:
Once the caps were cut off, both greeted me with a floral draw. Both drew easily -- quickies always are easy drawing. The corojo had a bit of smoked meat to it. But 95% was identical, of course, since your unlit draw comes thru identical filler.
Once lit, differences did emerge. The capa seemed more flavor transparent. Had a cleaner finish. Tasted fruity when rolled in the mouth. Burnt more slowly, with a bit grayer smoke. The corojo gave me a creamier taste, had a spicier finish, tasted spicier rolled in the mouth, burnt a skosh quicker, with a bit whiter smoke. I wasn't five minutes into the corojo cigar before I exclaimed "this is a superb cigar!" and determined to stash a box of them. But the rough dry surface of the capa continued to bug me. One, you were sleeping on a fine cotton pillow case with some kinda thread count a chick would know about; the other, a naked pillow with feather quills prickling thru. The capa started out with a steadier burn and a straighter burn line; but about a quarter hour in, it skipped a vein, hopping underneath to bust out a burn the near side of the vein. The corojo started out with a wavy burn, then straightened out. An inch in, when I knocked off the ashes, I found that the cherry on the capa had sunk into the wrap; whereas the corojo cherry was at least slightly convex. The capa, I must admit, seemed to produce a smoother melding of flavors. I liked the salt and pepper it left on my lips.
Both had a woody retro, a distinct PA broadleaf in the aroma, and soft thick smoke, requiring frequent puffing (rain was pounding down outside). Both were very quality cigars. But, for my money, I would choose the corojo oscuro every time, if only for the appearance and feel.
ArizonaDave
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Yeah, the Corojo Oscuro is a fantastic wrapper, real stretchy. So is the Brazil Arapirica. They're both similar to the H2000 that way. The Brazil Arapirica is a great wrapper. At first, it looks as though the veins might be a problem from the underside view, but when the wrapper is stretched and applied, they disappear. Too bad Ct. Broadleaf doesn't have the same disappearing act.
MarcL
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I had smoked the B48 from above this morning and it was really very nice. the filler in grams, 5.0/3.5/3.5
ArizonaDave
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de la Amazonic - Arapiraca wrapper, Columbia Carmen Cubita Binder, Mata fina, Mata Norte, and Carmen Cubita fillers.
Yes Marc, they're surprisingly smooth, and nice flavors. Your Cigar rolling always looks fantastic.
The Mata Norte leaf is one that I would rank as a candidate for minor condiment. I find it dry (not sweet), earthy and a bit bitter. This last trait is one that I do not recognize in Mata Fina. An all Mata Fina filler, wrapped in just about anything, is wonderful. The Mata Norte, by contrast, blends nicely when kept well below 1/4 of the filler.
The Mata Norte leaves me with the impression of a less refined, slightly wilder and more assertive Mata Fina.
Bob
The Mata Norte leaves me with the impression of a less refined, slightly wilder and more assertive Mata Fina.
Bob
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Brazil Arapicara
I find the Brazil Arapicara to be a potent, durable wrapper leaf. The leaf size is modest, compared to many other wrapper types. It has a fairly steep vein angle (roughly 45 degrees), which will limit the ring gauge to maybe 48 or 50 max. It is a medium brown, and slightly toothy leaf, with excellent burn, producing a gray-white ash.
My most interesting test was to wrap a filler of mild, subdued Havana 322 (no binder). The Arapicara wrapper added a touch of bitters, increased the nicotine, and brought in an earthiness not present in the Havana 322. Since I don't have supplies of Don's numerous filler types, I'll conjecture that the Arapicara would go well as a wrapper on the more subtle filler types, such as Dominican, Honduran Habano and Nicaraguan Habano--all in seco, to produce a medium-bodied cigar. You can crank up the strength from there using the same varieties in viso. I would avoid blending with other filler that brings a degree of bitterness, such as Paraguay Africa Flojo, San Vicente, and go fairly light on supplementing with stronger fillers.
Arapicara as a primary filler is too bitter for my taste, but as a wrapper, adds just the right edge to make an otherwise bland cigar sing.
Bob
I find the Brazil Arapicara to be a potent, durable wrapper leaf. The leaf size is modest, compared to many other wrapper types. It has a fairly steep vein angle (roughly 45 degrees), which will limit the ring gauge to maybe 48 or 50 max. It is a medium brown, and slightly toothy leaf, with excellent burn, producing a gray-white ash.
My most interesting test was to wrap a filler of mild, subdued Havana 322 (no binder). The Arapicara wrapper added a touch of bitters, increased the nicotine, and brought in an earthiness not present in the Havana 322. Since I don't have supplies of Don's numerous filler types, I'll conjecture that the Arapicara would go well as a wrapper on the more subtle filler types, such as Dominican, Honduran Habano and Nicaraguan Habano--all in seco, to produce a medium-bodied cigar. You can crank up the strength from there using the same varieties in viso. I would avoid blending with other filler that brings a degree of bitterness, such as Paraguay Africa Flojo, San Vicente, and go fairly light on supplementing with stronger fillers.
Arapicara as a primary filler is too bitter for my taste, but as a wrapper, adds just the right edge to make an otherwise bland cigar sing.
Bob
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