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OldDinosaurWesH

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Bob:

I have been tracking my cured leaf as it comes out of the kiln. This is why I have a big spreadsheet. To get a feel for yields on specific types.

One of the things I didn't do last year was keep any kind of accurate records. I just intuitively knew from what I had shredded that my yields were pretty low. I was estimating 2 1/2 to three oz. on most of my types. Which is not that good. Also I was operating on some bad advice regarding the use of fertilizer. I looked on some University websites, (in tobacco country) and got better info, and stepped up my fertility. That will have a significant positive impact. It is still too early to get a realistic feel for yields, but I am sure that I will have improved. Most of the leaf that I have cured is bottom leaf, which will not yield nearly as well as mid, upper, and top leaf. (you know the drill) One of the other things that I have done differently this year, is use better labeling on my strings. Each string has the variety, number of leaves, harvest date, and most importantly, stem position. I have divided my categories into bottom, mid, upper, and top. So, as leaves come out of the kiln, the weight info can go straight into an already existing line item on my spreadsheet. A formula will then kick out a yield number. I have had extensive excel spreadsheet experience and can build some pretty complicated sheets. Nothing so sophisticated needed here, just some good data to work with in the future. This is also why I planted at least 12 of each type, so that I could get a representative yield number. It's hard to extrapolate on a small number of plants, and get representative numbers.

All the numbers in the world are useless unless the stuff is fit to use. That's why I would never grow Brown and Williamson Low Nicotine again. Nasty stuff. And although I felt that yields on Ternopolskii 7 were low, I'd grow it again as it makes a pretty good "sweetener" in a blend. I grew Ternopolskii 14 this year, and the jury is still out on that one. Early indications are that the yields were pretty good, but the flavor maybe not so much. The kiln and time will tell that story.

I just want to get rid of my stalks and roots. Too much harborage available there. We are encouraged by the garbage company to put yard waste into the cans. That is why they are so big. (95 gallon) Also, I have plenty of fire ash to put on my ground which is a really good source of potash and other nutrients. I'm careful about what goes into the wood stove, for that reason. Wood ash is a valuable resource to use. Open burning is banned most of the time around here. And strictly speaking, If I wanted to burn some yard waste, I'd need a burning permit from the county. If you are a farmer who wants to burn a field, no problem. Pay a $20 fee and you are good to go. If you are a householder, pay a $20 fee and get denied. Seems to be pretty much the case. Don't get me started on the Ecology guys in Olympia (the state capitol)!

As I have said on multiple occasions "this tobacco growing is a lot of work!" But I also enjoy a good challenge. Or as my late cousin put it "If it was easy, everybody would be doing it."

Wes H.
 

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For years now, I have used a spreadsheet to record all sorts of info on my tobacco. You might find some tidbits in it to swipe. The example file has some of my embedded unit conversion formulas, to display both English and metric. Each year I tinker with it, and add or subtract another data row or two. What I've found useful (in addition to the numbers) is my narrative comments (the large field near the bottom of each column).

The past two years (shown in the image, but not included in the template or the example) I included rows for number of plants, number of required seedlings (including backups) and an auto calculation of my total plants that I will transplant, as well as how many 1020 trays to set up for the seedlings.

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pdf: Plant Variety Datasheet.pdf
xlsx: Plant Variety Datasheet.xlsx
example with data and embedded formulas (xlsx): Tobacco_PlantVarietyData2014.xlsx

During the growing season, I keep a printout of this on a clipboard that I can carry out to the field, along with a yardstick. I make hand notations. Then, at the end of the season, I enter all the values into the spreadsheet on the computer and print it out again, as a permanent record.

The data fields (rows) reflect many of the fields in the GRIN database, including the available values (e.g. White, Pink, Red, Other). My data printouts are the only easy way I have to go back and, for example, locate the GRIN PI number of a particular variety several years later.

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All the numbers in the world are useless unless the stuff is fit to use. That's why I would never grow Brown and Williamson Low Nicotine again. Nasty stuff. And although I felt that yields on Ternopolskii 7 were low, I'd grow it again as it makes a pretty good "sweetener" in a blend. I grew Ternopolskii 14 this year, and the jury is still out on that one. Early indications are that the yields were pretty good, but the flavor maybe not so much. The kiln and time will tell that story.

Wes H.

I grew Ternopolski 7 last year without any expectation, really. I only grew it because one of my grandpa's was from Ternopol. I wasn't impressed with the yield or flavor, but the curability of it definitely stood out.
 

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Thanks Bob.

ChinaVoodoo:

I liked the Ternopolskii 7 pretty well. That being said, I have 12 new varieties to try out this year. Both the Ternopolskii's cure easily, and both produce copious suckers. In my short time as a tobacco grower, I have handled 18 different varieties, and both Ternopolskii's were the worst for suckers. They are also very tall and many require a significant amount of staking to be kept upright. I don't know how you would produce these on a commercial basis.

What varieties have you been producing and how has your year been? I always like to hear from other members and get feedback from them.

I've never been to Edmonton, I need to get up that way someday to see the sights. I've been to Jasper and Banff and some of the other more touristy places in Western Canada, but have never ventured out into the prairie proper. Don't you have lots of lakes and rivers in your area? Edmonton is a pretty good sized city, there is probably a lot of stuff to see and do there.

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I've been busy yesterday and today finishing up on my regular harvest. All I have left are a few seed plants and loads of suckers. Hundreds of sucker leaves.

My garbage can is full and the freshly dug up stumps are piling up.

Fortunately, my rose "Veterans Honor" is smiling at me.

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Final regular leaf count 8,102 not counting any sucker leaf I may harvest. I had to adjust my total as posted yesterday, as I discovered an error in my spreadsheet.

Wes H.
 
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Thanks Bob.

ChinaVoodoo:

I liked the Ternopolskii 7 pretty well. That being said, I have 12 new varieties to try out this year. Both the Ternopolskii's cure easily, and both produce copious suckers. In my short time as a tobacco grower, I have handled 18 different varieties, and both Ternopolskii's were the worst for suckers. They are also very tall and many require a significant amount of staking to be kept upright. I don't know how you would produce these on a commercial basis.

What varieties have you been producing and how has your year been? I always like to hear from other members and get feedback from them.

I've never been to Edmonton, I need to get up that way someday to see the sights. I've been to Jasper and Banff and some of the other more touristy places in Western Canada, but have never ventured out into the prairie proper. Don't you have lots of lakes and rivers in your area? Edmonton is a pretty good sized city, there is probably a lot of stuff to see and do there.

Wes H.

I have grown around 20 kinds of tobacco, but haven't grown any twice. I have been very impressed with the aroma and flavor, and yield of Costello Negro, and Helena. Delhi 34 is a tobacco I'll grow again soon. It grows fast. It has a Canadian Virginia taste before kilning. I'd say Helena and Costello are more appetizing, but Delhi has more nicotine, and is much smoother on the tongue. I'm looking forward to kilning it to see how the flavor develops.

There is a lot to do depending on what you're interested in. Personally, I'm mostly involved in the technicalities of life, and am not sure what it's like to be a tourist here. We do have a massive urban forest. There are trails and walks forever. Three are a number of festivals people come for. The Folk music Festival, heritage days, the Fringe Festival. We have an incredible gallery. There's excellent restaurants. This is a pretty decent food city. I like to go to the tobacconist when I have spare time. I'm not an outdoorsman. I do hunt, but that's for food. I don't really do fishing, and lakes and rivers. We have one of the largest shipping malls in the world, but, meh. If you came, I would make time to hang out with you.
 

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ChinaVoodoo:

I restrict my hunting to mushrooms. They don't run away. But they're pretty good at hiding. That's why I got myself a hand-held GPS unit. So I can find the little critters again.

If I get up Edmonton way anytime in the near future, I'll definitely drop you a line before I head out. I'm always interested in how fellow growers do their thing. I'm kind of geographically isolated here. The nearest tobacco grower I know of is almost 300 miles away(480 km). I've been trying to get a few local people interested in tobacco growing, with very limited results. We need to expand our tobacco growing community. That way Bob will have something to do. (Just teasing, Bob!)

Wes H.

I have a bunch of Costello I grew this year (30 plants). It is very dark milk chocolate in color and has a kind of an "earthy" flavor. I'm not familiar with Delhi 34 or Helena. Oh well, you can't grow them all. There are too many types out there. But I can keep trying!
 
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ChinaVoodoo:

I restrict my hunting to mushrooms. They don't run away. But they're pretty good at hiding. That's why I got myself a hand-held GPS unit. So I can find the little critters again.

If I get up Edmonton way anytime in the near future, I'll definitely drop you a line before I head out. I'm always interested in how fellow growers do their thing. I'm kind of geographically isolated here. The nearest tobacco grower I know of is almost 300 miles away(480 km). I've been trying to get a few local people interested in tobacco growing, with very limited results. We need to expand our tobacco growing community. That way Bob will have something to do. (Just teasing, Bob!)

Wes H.

I have a bunch of Costello I grew this year (30 plants). It is very dark milk chocolate in color and has a kind of an "earthy" flavor. I'm not familiar with Delhi 34 or Helena. Oh well, you can't grow them all. There are too many types out there. But I can keep trying!

I've got dozens of mushroom hunting spots, indeed!

Helena is available from Northwood Seeds. Of all the flue cured I've grown, it's the closest one to Costello in flavor. The production is a bit higher as the leaves grow closer together. It's a keeper.
 

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I have grown around 20 kinds of tobacco, but haven't grown any twice. I have been very impressed with the aroma and flavor, and yield of Costello Negro, and Helena. Delhi 34 is a tobacco I'll grow again soon. It grows fast. It has a Canadian Virginia taste before kilning. I'd say Helena and Costello are more appetizing, but Delhi has more nicotine, and is much smoother on the tongue. I'm looking forward to kilning it to see how the flavor develops.

Very interesting informations ChinaVoodoo ! I take notes ;)
Did you flue cure them or just air cure ? (I am searching for an easy/tasty/sweet bright leaf that I could grow without bilding a "flue cure chamber"...)
 

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My tobacco is growing like topsy as well. Every time I look, the stash is bigger. Tried giving it away, but I can't get rid of it as fast as I buy more. Other day, I tossed several bags of stuff I don't much like, then took an inventory: 40 lbs. Next day, in came two more pounds Dom olor binder from WLT. If Don would just stop having dynamite deals.... well, no, truthfully I'd prolly still buy more.

That Dom olor binder is smellicious.
 

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I skated on the killing frost last night. 36 degrees.

I went on an extended tour today, seeing big chunks of Central Washington State. Eureka, Tri Cities, Yakima Valley, Yakima, Ellensburg, Mattawa. The heart of irrigated agriculture in Washington State. There are areas that have had frost, and other areas that haven't been touched. Most of this is land that is well below 1,000 feet of elevation. The frost has been very "patchy" depending on localized atmospheric conditions. Grapes, corn. potatoes, you name it they're out there harvesting it by the semi-load. I went through an area that (used to) claim being the largest concord grape vineyard in the world. Vines along the road for three miles. Those guys hadn't started picking yet. When they do pick, you can smell the ripe grapes as you drive by. (All by machine of course.) I notice one irrigated circle (160 acres) that was standing corn in the morning, stubble about 9 hours later. The harvesters had moved across the road and were working away at the next circle. It's really amazing to watch those big machines gobble up the crop.

Ill have to get busy tomorrow and fill my garbage can with tobacco stumps and other detritus. I have picked some sucker leaf and strung and hung it. I wasn't all that impressed. But I'll give the stuff a chance & see if it is any good. Lots of fresh colorful blooms out there. The silly things keep on blooming as long as they don't get frozen. It seems to me that the color on the blooms is more intense on these late blooms. Maybe it's just the lighting. I'll try to snap a picture or two of late blooms and post them to my blog tomorrow or the next day.

Wes H.
 

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Photos I promised yesterday.

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Photo one, Connecticut Shade blooms.
Photo two, Connecticut Shade blooms in the trash can. Can is filled with roots and stems. All I can stuff in there for this week. More to dispose of after garbage day next week.
Photo three, African Red blooms. These plants were stripped of their leaves three weeks or so ago. That's all that is left are bloom heads. This variety produces abundant numbers of blooms.
Photo four, lots of suckers. These are mostly Costello Negro stumps.
Photo five, view from my director's chair/workstation. I put a piece of plywood on top of my wheel-barrel to make a quick and dirty workstation to string leaves. Quick, easy, and highly portable. This spot is best, because it is in the shelter of the woodpile, which protects you from the wind and weather.

I'm probably half way done digging up stumps and disposing of them. 30 - 40 stumps per week are all the most I can fit in my garbage can. When I am done digging stumps and cleaning of my growing area, I will rake it out smooth, and apply a fine coating of fire ash. The fire ash will have the winter to work its way down into the soil. In the spring, I will then turn my soil with a shovel and be ready to make new rows for next-years' crop.

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We have not had a killing frost here yet. The 10-day forecast is indicating we will probably skate on into November without a killing frost. Two years in a row. Amazing!

I have decided that weather or not, I am going to start cutting down seed plants as soon as I can get enough time. This engenders a question.

Is it safe to put my seed heads on a seedling heat mat to help facilitate the drying process? I have put a thermometer on the seed mat in the past and the mat seemed to maintain a temperature of 70 - 72 degrees f. I think this will be safe to do, but thought I'd solicit other opinions. I don't want to damage the little things.

Thanks,

Wes H.
 

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Photos from today's activities

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Photo 1, bagged seed heads and some small strings. Not having any previous experience with seed heads, I cut the stems off just below the bag. I then take the seed heads out of the bag and trim off any unnecessary leaf, stems, and underdeveloped seed pods. I also remove old dried out flowers. I then put the "cleaned" seed heads back in the bags and will hang them as is. Probably more work than I need to do. I'm just trying to minimize opportunities for mold or rot. It is also convenient to just hang the bags intact rather than try to string them all on a wire.

Photo 2, it's getting more and more sparse out there. One more day will have the rest of these dug up and ready to hit the garbage can. Compare to:

Photo 3, taken 9-9-17. A little different a few weeks ago.

Photo 4, garbage can nearly full again! This is the fourth time I have filled it, Hopefully in a couple of weeks I'll have it all gone.

The weather report is saying we will have a frost possibly as soon as Monday, and no later than next weekend. The forecast for next weekend would put nighttime temps in the mid to low 20's.

I will have the last of the seed heads and the small amounts of top leaf finished by tomorrow. If my day works out, I will also have the rest of the stumps dug up and piled for subsequent disposal. Just in time for first frost.

It's been a good year, and mother nature has treated me well.

Whoops! I seem to have inadvertently added a thumbnail I didn't intend to. I'm not sure how to get rid of it, so what the hey!

Wes H.
 

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Nice work!
Just wondering wether composting plants is frowned up to stop the spread of disease in the next crop?
will be sad to see it all cleared but there's always next year
 

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Well, composting is a matter of opinion. Just me personally, I want to get rid of all possible tobacco waste in order to reduce the risk of disease and other pests. Tobacco can be afflicted with any number of different diseases, and reducing the harborage hopefully will prevent disease outbreak. That's my logic anyway. Not everyone will agree with me. Besides, I have lots of nice oak leaves to use for compost.

Wes H.
 

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Hello;


I wonder especially if to put an insecticide in the compost is intelligent and useful?...

Hello;

je me demande surtout si mettre un insecticide dans le compost est intelligent et utile ?...
 
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