Smokeless is coming to New Zealand

[jojjas]

You could send them an email with your question´s in english , i think they answer you quite fast , english is no problem for any swede , multiply prices with approx 0,2 you get the cost in nzd

You could buy flavor´s here if you want to do so http://www.lorannoils.com/ , i have done that and it´s good quality and rapid delivery

How wet the snus should be is tricky question in my post here (http://fairtradetobacco.com/threads/2573-How-to-make-swedish-snus ) the amount of water is (1 part tobaccopowder to 1,5 part of water) but some of the water evaporate during "cooking" , so how much water in % when it´s ready from the oven it´s almost impossible to say , but one thing come to my mind , one could compare with an used teabag with the excess water been squeezed out

In my opinion , there is no difference between the brands , but thats only what i think

 

[KiwiGrown]

The link you posted jojjas is the recipe I followed but it says only 1 part water to 1 part tobacco flour. It came out as you describe a "wet tea bag squeezed out".

I can buy lorannoils local but much more expensive, I think I will try email the 1st company you posted and make sure I understand there shipping policy.

 

[KiwiGrown]

Last night after 48 hours cooking the snus was looking dark chocolate brown, it had a smell the wife commented on, She said it smelt delicous and fruity, So I added 10g of Sodium Carbonate and was shortly after asked why it now smelt horrible can I please take that outside.

I think with all the flue curing I've done lately I've become immune to the smell of ammonia but it did make me feel a bit sick so I agreed with her in exchange for the use of our mixer.

This morning after about 13 hour I took it out and added 50mL of Bombay Sapphire, 7ml of glycerin, 2 drops of bergamot oil and 3 drops of lime oil.

After adding the gin it smelt delicous, I found the aroma before to be a bit sickly sweet, it's in the fridge now, I assume I have to wait at least a week before testing.

 

[Hasse SWE]

I know that it smells terrible after Sodium Carbonate have been added in the tobacco. And honestly I make it in my garage instead of in the kitchen. When the children was small(er) they didn't sleep well when I was making "snus" (in the kitchen). I add the taste in the water (some from the beginning and some in the next step). It also make it smell more but it also make the taste stable earlier. If you don't have the possibility to make the snus anywhere else then in the kitchen you might should use cocking bags. It stopped most of the smell

 

[KiwiGrown]

Ive been cooking it in the garage, I kept the rice cooker I used inside my Flue curing chamber to keep the temperature more stable.

I couldnt mix it in the garage because it's dirty and I took down the light to use it to germinate my tobacco seeds many mouths ago, I keep forgetting to put the light back up.

I couldnt wait a week, I tried some tonight, I attempted to put it in los and failed, so wrapped it in a paper towel, I made way to big of a pris maybe 2 grams.

It burnt my gum a little but it stopped after 5 mins, the nicotine hit is pretty strong, not quite head spinning but a little to much.

I was very surprised the flavour was very good, do you know salted licorice? Its my favourite sweet, the snus tastes like salted licorice with a little spice, little bergamot and a little gin.

 

[Hasse SWE]

salted licorice goes well with Bergamot and citrus, But don't add too much. I use Anise instead of salted licorice because I take it carful with salt..The sweet will not be any problems it smells more sweet than it tastes.Hope I answer your question because I didn't really understand the question..

 

[Hasse SWE]

But I was going to ask you for a questiono you know a burley variant named Hauraki Gold? It's a Burley from New Zealand but My guess is that it ain't a "White burley" as we normally grow to day. I have been growing it two season but never get so much tobacco that I have been able to test it alone in a batch..

 

[KiwiGrown]

Salted licorice is not common here, I was asking if you knew of it, I only know of it because my grandfather is from Denmark but I guess it's from sweden too.

Yes I have seen this variety it doesn't look like regular burley I have grown, it was grown in the north island commerically many years ago, I have not grown it yet, it is described as a green veined variety by a New Zealand seller that's all I know sorry.

 

[Hasse SWE]

Here is a harvest leaf http://www.infoom.se/fotoalbum/index.php?spgmGal=tobak_2017&spgmPic=53&user=20319#spgmPicture

 

[KiwiGrown]

What are some of your favourite dark air varieties ?

 

[Hasse SWE]

KY:151 is my absolute favorite Dark-Air variant. It have something in the taste that I can't put the finger on. And perhaps it's just the thing perhaps I like it just because I can't explain it. I was hoping to find the same taste in LNKY:171 last season (because it have higher yield) but no that thing was not there.

 

[KiwiGrown]

Interesting burley, I can only see one seller who will not ship to New Zealand sadly, Have you grown KY190 before ?

I am growing Dom Republic Olor, CT Shade, Basma, Canik and Ostrolist next season I might have to reduce the amount of Orientals and add a Dark air variety instead.

 

[Hasse SWE]

Nope I have never been growing KY:190. But it is one of the variants that have been made of KY:171. Far as I know you don't need to add a dark variants to the mixes if you decide to go for that Burley variant. Because it have pretty much of Dark tobacco in the taste. They have little tucker leaf than variants that regular are air cured.So if I should have it I would first air drying the leaf and after it have been brown I would let it curing in side for a while (I don't fragmenting my leaf). It's the different between making tobacco for snus and other things.

 

[KiwiGrown]

What sort of blend do you like Hasse ?

 

[Hasse SWE]

What sort of blend do you like Hasse ?

Really hard to say "KiwiGrown", I can go all in one Burley sometimes, dark variants sometimes. I try to make a smaller test batch of each variants and when I use it I first write down what I thinking about and if I feel that I missing something. I don't like the taste from bright leaf variants that much alone so I hum I think I have around 30-40% Dark or Burley but a typical American blend work good for me. I grow bright tobacco for the yield and Oriental, Burley and Dark variants just to give the tobacco a interesting taste. And trust me its different between different Dark variants but I also know that if I have for example a mild Burley variant I can add a mild cigar binder/filler and sometimes I feel like"this is it" that's why I grow pretty much different variants. But I thinking more and more that I perhaps would skip bright leaf and buying it instead. So I can go all in for other types

 

[KiwiGrown]

Buying leaf isn't an option from about April this year there changing regulations to include dried/cured whole leaf as a processed tobacco product, meaning it will be taxed as such so around 580 USD for a pound.

For a high yielding Burley have you tried, KY17, TN90 or Moldovan 456 ?

 

[Hasse SWE]

Buying leaf isn't an option from about April this year there changing regulations to include dried/cured whole leaf as a processed tobacco product, meaning it will be taxed as such so around 580 USD for a pound.For a high yielding Burley have you tried, KY17, TN90 or Moldovan 456 ?

Sorry to hear almost like the extra taxes Sweden have speak about when it comes to order from a country outside EU. It will be interesting to see how that turns out in the end.. My biggest lucky is that I can bay from a country in European union. But to answer your question: I have. Been growing KY:17 and TN:90 two excellent variants I don't think any of them will give you any problem. Moldovan 456 have I never been growing. but I have been thinking about KY:190 it really looks to me like it is a Dark-fire variant. Because both the parents is "dark, fire-cured types..

 

[KiwiGrown]

I think you maybe correct, nwtseeds has it listed as a Dark, often fire cured. GRIN has it listed as Fire cured, I only really look at varieties I can buy local or from nwtseeds because it's very hard to import into New Zealand.

 

[Hasse SWE]

Grin have written this about KY#190: "dark, fire-cured type (22 and 23). Released for its good yield of high quality leaf and disease resistance. Alkaloid content of cured leaf is 5.75%. Cured leaf rated good to excellent with acceptable leaf chemistry. High resistance to TMV, wildfire (Pseudomonas Tabaci) and black root rot (Thielaviopsis basicola). Medium resistance to races R0 and R1 of black shank.Pedigree:KY 171>>>>>>TXF 811"And the registration not is pretty similar (as always). But they also say that it's a four times backcross of KY#171 that have been used to cross in to TXF 811 (also named DF#485, Don't think they tell that it have two names but it have). So to make it understanding KY:190 is a variants that have been created with a cross between two Dark variants.- I would have listened it like a Dark-fire variant and they are often little hander to just air curing and grind. Because they thicker leaf not getting Sufficiently dry to dry only in the air. But if you take the leaf inside a few days before you grind it you often get a tobacco with more taste than a variant that more easy can be only air cured. That is my experience (and that variant seems pretty interesting even for me to grow some day).

 

[deluxestogie]

This article is about hybridizing dark air varieties, but contains interesting background information. It does comment on the productivity of Dark Fire 485.

Snuff and chewing tobaccos are often referred to as dark types because growing plants have a dark green color due to high levels of chlorophyll. There are two distinct groups of cultivars. The commonly-used terms for these groups are one-sucker and broadleaf. One-sucker cultivars are used exclusively to produce dark air-cured leaf; whereas the broadleaf cultivars are used to produce both air-cured and fire-cured tobacco.

https://www.coresta.org/sites/defau...co_Science_1991_35_p._32-4_ISSN.0082-4623.pdf

I had never recognized that the huge leaves of dark-air and dark-fire were derived from broadleaf variants. But it makes sense.

Bob