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I'll throw blankets over the freezer tomorrow. I also had been thinking that perhaps the crockpot was not sufficiently strong enough. I do have it set on low, which may be a mistake. But aside from that, at least from reading on this forum, I kind of assumed that some people here are using crockpots in containers far larger than my puny freezer. The inside dims are only about 31x18x18". ???

I think most of the guys using crock pots for a heat source have their units inside heated or insulated buildings or basements, or do their curing/kilning in areas of the world that are warmer than your current conditions. The trick is adapting all this info to your conditions. It sounds like you need to bump your crock pot up to HIGH. The thermostat will keep the temp from going too high. Try that and post your results. Interesting thread.

The guys running their crock pot on LOW do so because they can. If low isn't cutting it, go to HIGH.
 

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Hmmmm...I'm not sure how interesting, but it sure pays to communicate. I'm getting some great ideas and feedback from this forum, and it's incredibly helpful. There is just no way I would be able to muddle through all of this and figure this out on my own - or maybe I could, but it would take years....;) I can't get to my crockpot on this run with all the leaves in the chamber, but will definitely turn it up to high on the next one, and use blankets earlier on, as well. Yes, that's a good point that most of what I'm reading here takes place in heated/insulated areas. Makes for more comfortable viewing, too. I have to walk uphill about 50 feet to get to my shed - dark, cold, etc. On the plus side, all this activity has allowed me to double up on my chocolate chip cookies without gaining any weight. A silver lining.....
 

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If the rh is going up with the 1/2" wedge, the leaf has too much moisture. Hold temp steady until the rh starts going down. Once it starts going down, the bulk of moisture is gone, and the rest will be a nice steady decline on its own. A 1/2" gap across a 32" door is a whopping 16sq.in. of vent, more than enough. Once rh starts declining, you may even need smaller wedges, 1/4 and 1/16.
 

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If the rh is going up with the 1/2" wedge, the leaf has too much moisture.

I remember you telling me that once before - Actually, I was just re-reading this thread from the beginning - geesh, you told me this early on...in post #24, Deluxestogie advises about putting a blanket over the freezer - now in post 160 something, he has to say it again. I'm a slow learner....Hopefully, the RH will have dropped somewhat by tomorrow morning, and then it's blanket time. This run is going into its 8th day....
 

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I've got to try me some of that Irish Whiskey. LOL. There's some things I want to forget. lol
 

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I've got to try me some of that Irish Whiskey. LOL. There's some things I want to forget. lol

Ah, my friend, this is totally natural...Much of my grey matter hit the highway a long time ago....:)


And yes DG, it is very important to keep up one's health and stamina by eating the correct foods when doing scientific research. I wouldn't want to get too weak so I was unable to continue this.....
 

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Just for reference, I am 6 days into a late season run, and just now yellow enough to begin wilt.
 

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Just for reference, I am 6 days into a late season run, and just now yellow enough to begin wilt.

Under normal circumstances (and yes, presumably they will come again) this would give me hope. But disaster has struck....

Many years ago, I went to a Chinese psychic who advised that my life was always going to be affected by water. Funnily enough, I have always lived within 5 minutes or less of the ocean. I have been flooded in my house in NY once (4 feet inside - an interesting experience). Here, while the sea has not as yet come into the house, it has broken its banks a number of times so that the road and fields are flooded, and I am unable to get beyond my gate, sometimes for a week or more. An example, just to keep my thread amusing:
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In any event, this morning I go up to the shed with the blanket. The stat is at 46C - it's 87% humidity. I decide to bite the bullet and open the container to get to the crockpot and put it on high. In retrospect, thank goodness I did, otherwise I would be struggling with this run for months. The bottom of the freezer was covered in about an inch of water - so much so that I actually had to mop it out, literally. Through scientific analysis, I have come to the conclusion that my water intake system was not working efficiently - water that I was pouring down the tube was overshooting the crockpot and dumping on the floor. Not only was it a mess, but I would think that, as the crockpot wasn't heating the water that was on the floor, no one (myself included) was really getting the benefit of this added water, either. While everything was in disarray, I took a couple of photos - normally these are the ones you hide somewhere so that no one ever sees them. I'm posting the result of my current effort:
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Yummy looking!! It appears that the Chinese lady was right - once again, water has been my nemesis. This isn't even candela wrapper....
I'm going to bring this run to a close, by drying them out during the day, just for the heck of it. And then start again, after I revise my water intake system, so that this doesn't happen again

Now, yes, I understand that much of my difficulty is because I am using unripe leaves. Of course, there is always the possibility that none of my leaves will be sufficiently ripe for this process, as we are already into the middle of October. On paper, I'm assuming that this means that it will take longer for the leaves to yellow - and on paper, this means that you hold at the yellowing stage until they are sufficiently colored. But, as usual, I have a few questions.
After all this time (these leaves were in the yellowing stage for a week), why is the midrib still completely green? I have a internet 'friend' in England who is following this thread (and doing this himself) and he has been removing the midribs prior to curing, for some reason. Actually, this allows him to go through this process in about 3 days or so. I have been arguing against such a practice, but now I wonder. Would that be a feasible option for future runs with unripe leaves - it seems that most of the midribs in my current run remained green, even after 6 days of yellowing. I understand that this would be somewhat work intensive, to remove the midribs in most of my leaves, but I wonder if this would assist in the 'speed' or success of getting unripe leaves to yellow.
How long does it normally take a tobacco plant to ripen?? My plants were put into the tunnel on August 4, and today they look like this:
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None of them are yellowing in any way. About 11 or so have been topped for a couple of weeks already...Eck.
(By the way, from the above photo, is it possible to confirm that these really are Virginia plants????
 

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It has also just occurred to me that all this water in the bottom of the freezer must have affected the air temperature in the freezer as well....possible??
 

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Yes, possible. But it doesn't matter as the water caused all kinds of problems with your cure. If you do things correctly and still have problems, then it's time to worry.

Your midrib is still green because of the water in the freezer. You must quit stressing over why you are not getting a normal cure when your freezer is full of water and you are trying to cure unripe leaf and your heat source is set to low when the temps are down. It's not going to happen. You've gotten a ton of helpful suggestions here. I think it's time to put them to good use. Buy some whole leaf to smoke while your leaf gets ripe. Fix the water tube and set up a siphon feed and mark the jug. If it's cold in your unheated shed, use the high setting on the crock pot. The temps will not soar out of control because you have a thermostat to cut the heat off when the temp is reached. No matter how high you set the thermostat, you will not reach and hold that temp if the the heat source is not putting out enough heat. No offense.

No offense taken - I'm here to learn, and getting my hand slapped now and again is all part of that process. In my own defense, of course, the fact that my freezer was full of water was unknown until this morning, so my confusion about why this run was going differently to the others was somewhat 'founded', as I had no idea that the water intake 'system' was screwed up.

And I still don't understand how the marking the jug/siphon feed set up works. I understand about siphoning - somewhat - I have sucked gasoline into my mouth a number of times, but this is the extent of my knowledge of it. In the thread that showed this set up, the jug is marked showing the amount of water that would fill the crockpot. It's on an adjustable tray. There's a hose leading into the crockpot. Is that hose primed with water all the time? How do you know from this set up if the crockpot is half full? I don't get how it works.
 

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You caught me. I deleted those posts right I after I left them because they came off sounding a little short. That wasn't my intention. It didn't come out right. You did good finding the water and the source of the problem. You'll get it fixed, you seem pretty handy with stuff. Google "siphon feed", there will be all kinds of info including diagrams and you can set up something that works for you. It is an easy way to gauge where the water is going and sort of track your usage, and know what the water level in the pot is without having to look. Weather is another issue. You are experiencing conditions over there that none of us over here are contending with. That's another variable that you're going to have to play with to match your own situation. Being in an uninsulated, non heated building presents some problems that will need to be worked out with what you have been doing, heat and vent control. I'm interested in all these flue curing threads because you learn something from each and every one of them. Thanks for your posts.
 

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You caught me. I deleted those posts right I after I left them because they came off sounding a little short.

Gotcha, big brother.....Will spend the day now studying siphon feed - although, frankly, if you had felt guilty enough about your previous post, you really could have explained it to me.....:)
 

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And now that I think about it - if I hadn't copied your post into mine - and then you deleted those posts - I would have sounded even more like an idiot, responding to some non-existent information with my response. Whew, my fairy godmother works overtime.....
 

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A siphon works by gravity. As long as both ends of the primed connecting tube (full of water) between two containers are submerged, the levels of water will even out between them by flow through the tube. The two containers need to be of sufficient height and there needs to be enough water in the system. Once established and stable to a good level of water in the crock pot, you can put a mark on the outside container as a reference to show the the water level in the crock pot without opening the freezer. You can add water as necessary to the outside container and it will transfer through the tube to the crock pot inside the freezer. Forget about the adjustable shelf, it will become apparent if you need to adjust the height of the outside container.

It sounds like you have a problem keeping the end of the tube inside the freezer under control, attach a weight (rock or a piece of metal) near the end of the tube to keep it in the bottom of the crock pot.
 

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Yes, I understand how siphoning and priming works - but my 'take' on this: you need to have your crockpot filled and your outside jug filled with the same amount of water as would fill the crockpot, as well as the tube between the two filled. Both are at the same height. You mark the jug which now shows the 'crockpot filled' level. Is this right? But then, now what? I understand that if I raise the outside jug, it will fill the crockpot inside to the level of the water in the outside jug. But is there not more to the set up on that forum post? I seemed to interpret it that, as the water in the crockpot went down, this is somehow 'known' by the observer, without viewing the crockpot (or humidity level) - or known by the jug, which keeps filling the pot so that the crockpot and jug are always at the same level. Or something like that. Maybe, for my limited intellect, it is easier just to really fasten my tube into the crockpot better, so that the water isn't splashing all over the place.
 

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First, don't abandon the current leaf. The "ugly" one with the brown leaf and green stem is how many of my thick leafed air cured stuff looked for a while and they cured out fine. Dark but good.

In your tunnel pic, the mottling of the big leaf at the lower right (light yellow spotting) is showing ripeness.
 

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For the siphon, once it is set up, and the crock water level is marked on the outside jug, the jug is never adjusted again. As the level of water in the outside jug declines (because it is being pulled into the crock) just add water to the outside to maintain the level at the full mark.
 

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Bex I think you have the jug and crockpot about right, on the same level. What you then get is an equalization of pressure. if it is 10 lbs on the outside jug it will become equal on the inside crockpot if they are level and both should be 5 lbs of pressure. Once it is equalized and your crockpot is full you can mark your outside jug. As the crockpot uses water it will stay equalized between the two containers. Meaning it will use the same amount of water from both containers. As long as your 2 hose ends are on the same level it should equalize both containers

Sorry DGBAMA I must have been typing as you were posting. Russ
 
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