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"I have a lot of trouble taking that guy seriously. He seems like a smug know it all that gives off a sort of con man vibe."

I guess I took him a little differently; I saw him de-bunking a lot of the cigar industry's hype and there's a lot of it. It's hard work convincing someone to pay $20.00 for a $5.00 cigar.

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I don't know. I've watched several of his videos and I get a similar vibe that HIM gets. He may be debunking... but if he's debunking with bunk then... I don't know. You almost have to be an industry insider yourself to seperate truth from fiction. While is't big business to sell a $5 stick for $20, it's also his business to market himself as an artisan in contrast to big cigar producers.

I'm less than a novice in all this, but I get the same vibe... like I'm getting sold.
 

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I just thought of a perfect example: Go to your local B&M and score two cigars: a Brick House and a Perla Del Mar. Common enough; not too expensive. Same blend; two different wrappers; very different result. I may have a Perla or two on hand in the humidor; but I'm positive that I have no Brick House; otherwise, I would Magic Box a pair or two to some of you good bruddas. Go ahead and try it.
 

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Simpler test just go buy two of any cigar you like, smoke the first one, concentrate on what your tasting and where in the cigar. Then take the other and carefully take off the wrapper and smoke it. Check what you taste etc against your notes from the first. I will await the posts.
 

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Simpler test just go buy two of any cigar you like, smoke the first one, concentrate on what your tasting and where in the cigar. Then take the other and carefully take off the wrapper and smoke it. Check what you taste etc against your notes from the first. I will await the posts.

Thats a good idea but there is somewhat of a catch. You might not notice a big difference in flavor with something like a Sumatra wrapper since its so mild to begin with. But if you do that with say a maduro of some sort I think you'd notice a bigger difference. Same for stuff thats sun grown vs shade grown. Some tobaccos are just more robust than others.
 

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Ah--how the brain forms a model of reality. I agree with everybody.

Although we speak of distinct "senses," a better description of them might be "areas of more focused interest." Our peripheral nervous system, along with all of our sense organs, form a network, or mesh. Touch one piece of spaghetti, and something moves on the other side of the plate.

Numerous, fascinating studies have demonstrated how:
  • taste influences smell
  • smell influences taste
  • color influences smell and taste
  • ambient aromas influence smell and taste
  • ambient temperature influences smell and taste
  • ambient sound influences vision
  • vision influences sound
A wonderful, new book on this wider subject: Making Space: How the Brain Knows Where Things Are, by Jennifer Groh at Duke University.

To add to the confusion, the nervous system is not very good at determining how things "are," but very good at detecting how things "have changed." If you smoke a cigarette, then light up a cigar, it's a different cigar than if you've just been sipping some hot cocoa. If you are surrounded by the fragrance of Febreze, stepping out to light up is a world apart from walking out of a kitchen that's cooking cabbage.

Bob

Uh oh...she was on NPR not long ago. :)

Thinking along these lines of mental influence there would be the 'power of suggestion' may be one of the most powerful influences of all. Suggesting a cigar will taste a certain way before you light it can have a huge impact. Just looking at a Maduro wrapper is suggestion enough.
 

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Thats a good idea but there is somewhat of a catch. You might not notice a big difference in flavor with something like a Sumatra wrapper since its so mild to begin with. But if you do that with say a maduro of some sort I think you'd notice a bigger difference. Same for stuff thats sun grown vs shade grown. Some tobaccos are just more robust than others.

Really won't make too much of a difference, the change is unmistakable. Mild Sumatra...hmm have to find some of that never had one that was mild.
 

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I can add a little fuel to the fire. I am pretty sure I have a few sticks of my #2 blend that are as identical as hand made products can be, except for the wrapper. Some have Criollo '98 for the wrapper and the others have Bezuki. I would be happy to send some off to a couple people as long as they post full reviews concentrating on the differences in flavors between the sticks. If you would like to volunteer hit me up with a PM and I will see how many I can ship out once I look in my Humi tonight.

Be for warned I roll some ugly sticks but the burn pretty good for me.

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I'll add one other tidbit for folks to try. It's been my experience that if I smoke a cigar in total darkness (say, a dark night on the porch, with no lighting--a peaceful midnight stogie), and can not see the smoke, then the cigar is not as satisfying. Some part of the taste or aroma or mouth feel gets disconnected when I can't see the smoke.

Bob
 

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I had a Cigar today that was fantastic. It was a simple blend I've worked with off and on trying to get the over all flavor just right. 2 Criollo Liguero, 2 Havano viso, and Habano Seco. I may increase the Criollo, maybe switching to viso, as I've been trying to bring the Criollo Liguero to the forefront.

With all that said, the one I had today had a Conn. Broadleaf wrapper. The difference was significant. Why? I have no idea. I've tried the Broadleaf with other blends with no luck.

I may try it next with a Ec. Shade. Either way, it was a 4 out of 5 stars.
 

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Dave don't waste the leaf I tried something close to that with my Christmas Blend and the Ecuadorian Shade just washed the whole thing out. Try San Andreas or Corojo I think you will be pleasantly surprised.
 

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I'll add one other tidbit for folks to try. It's been my experience that if I smoke a cigar in total darkness (say, a dark night on the porch, with no lighting--a peaceful midnight stogie), and can not see the smoke, then the cigar is not as satisfying. Some part of the taste or aroma or mouth feel gets disconnected when I can't see the smoke.

Bob

This is absolutely true, and not just with cigars, but pipes also. I've even found if i'm smoking in windy weather I need to stand so that I can see the smoke -- if it's blowing behind me, I can't seem to taste it as well -- makes me puff harder to "feel" smoke in my mouth. Weird...
 

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This is absolutely true, and not just with cigars, but pipes also. I've even found if i'm smoking in windy weather I need to stand so that I can see the smoke -- if it's blowing behind me, I can't seem to taste it as well -- makes me puff harder to "feel" smoke in my mouth. Weird...

You guys blow smoke rings?
 

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I can add a little fuel to the fire. I am pretty sure I have a few sticks of my #2 blend that are as identical as hand made products can be, except for the wrapper. Some have Criollo '98 for the wrapper and the others have Bezuki. I would be happy to send some off to a couple people as long as they post full reviews concentrating on the differences in flavors between the sticks. If you would like to volunteer hit me up with a PM and I will see how many I can ship out once I look in my Humi tonight.

Be for warned I roll some ugly sticks but the burn pretty good for me.

Pete

Also be forewarned: Once you try one of Pete's blends, your mouth will water for another.






... and another








.... and another
 

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Dave don't waste the leaf I tried something close to that with my Christmas Blend and the Ecuadorian Shade just washed the whole thing out. Try San Andreas or Corojo I think you will be pleasantly surprised.

You are spot on with this, I'll try the San Andreas 1st. There are some blends it doesn't hurt to tone down to bring out the subtle nuances, I guess this isn't one of them. Thanks!
 

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I tried little experiment with cigars rolled the other night, same exact binder/fillers but rolled one with a Bezuki[only wrapper have left] the one without a wrapper was good but little on the strong side and thats coming from guy who likes medium-strong smoke..but the other one with the wrapper was "toned down" just enough to enjoy better a smoke.so from this maybe change my mind about the wrappers 'do' make more of difference than I thought.


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www.jrcigars.com/university/wrappers

a cigar's wrapper leaf can determine anywhere from 60% to 90% of the cigar's overall flavor

http://cigarpress.com/a-wrappers-influence-on-a-cigar


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james g December 15th, 2014 I see this is an old post so no one might see this, but if so, I have a question, why is it that cuban makers view the wrapper as merely a dressing and not effectual in determining flavor? Here is a link a to someone going off on this subject…http://www.examiner.com/article/timothy-torres-making-one-cigar-at-a-time-scottsdale


Robustojoe December 16th, 2014 That’s a good question, James. I think it might be because Cuban cigars are primarily all made from the same tobaccos. They don’t offer a variety of wrappers and hence, don’t see how much they affect the cigar’s flavor. NCs offer cigars with wrappers from all over the world, each with its own flavor component. Cuba, being such a closed society, doesn’t participate in the wealth of global resources. It’s a shame. Imagine how great a Cuban cigar would taste with a wrapper grown in Nicaragua!
 
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